[PC-NCSG] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root Zone Label Generation Rules (LGR)
Poncelet Ileleji
pileleji
Wed Dec 14 15:54:50 EET 2016
Endorsed +1
On 14 December 2016 at 14:47, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
wrote:
> +1 for endorsing Ayden's comment.
>
> Tapani
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 04:00:17PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > we got another request for endorsment for public comment. the draft was
> > discussed in NCSG list and some edits were done in response.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> > Date: 2016-12-14 15:52 GMT+09:00
> > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for
> > Lao Script Root Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
> >
> >
> > I am unable to post to the Policy Committee's list, as I am not a member.
> > Could someone who is please ask the Policy Committee if they support the
> > ratification of the attached statement? Sorry to be unable to join the
> PC's
> > call last night and to ask myself - the call completely slipped my mind.
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Ayden F?rdeline
> > linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script
> Root
> > Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> > Local Time: 10 December 2016 11:27 PM
> > UTC Time: 10 December 2016 23:27
> > From: icann at ferdeline.com
> > To: "Milan, Stefania" <Stefania.Milan at EUI.EU>
> > NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> >
> > Thanks for this feedback, Stefania. It is very useful. Taking into
> account
> > your suggestions I have reworded the consultation response slightly.
> There
> > are now just under 30 minutes until the consultation period ends, and I'm
> > about to board a plane, so I'm going to submit this comment with a small
> > note that it has not yet been endorsed by the NCSG Policy Committee but
> has
> > been reviewed by three members of the Policy Committee. If the PC is
> > comfortable supporting this statement after it is submitted, that is
> > brilliant ? if not, it will be my personal remarks. I trust this will be
> > okay.
> >
> > *The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
> > comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> > which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> > Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support
> its
> > integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> > congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal,
> and
> > appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> > representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists,
> and
> > academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> > names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> > sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> > diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We are
> > pleased to see that the GP has given consideration to the potential for
> > consumer confusion between visually similar marks in the Lao script and
> > other scripts such as Thai, and we trust that a comprehensive mitigation
> > plan to avoid said confusion will be in place at the time of
> > implementation. Thank you again for inviting our input on your work. We
> are
> > grateful to the GP for this opportunity to share our views. As you move
> > forward with your work, we ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your
> > progress.*
> >
> > Ayden F?rdeline
> > linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script
> Root
> > Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> > Local Time: 10 December 2016 3:12 PM
> > UTC Time: 10 December 2016 21:12
> > From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.EU
> > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> >
> > Thanks Ayden for doing this. It is greatly appreciated.
> > One minor point: would it be possible to make concrete suggestions
> towards
> > a "comprehensive mitigation plan"? Just asking, I wouldn't have a clue
> > myself. I realize that this is last minute, though, and that what I
> suggest
> > might require more work...
> > Either way, I personally (also as a member of the NCSG Policy Committee)
> > support the submission of this public comment on support of our
> stakeholder
> > group.
> > Thanks again!
> > Best, Stefania
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Da: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> per conto di Ayden
> > F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
> > Inviato: sabato 10 dicembre 2016 18.50.06
> > A: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Oggetto: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script
> Root
> > Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> >
> > Hi all, please find attached a new draft of this consultation response
> (the
> > text which has changed is in bold for emphasis). Feedback is welcomed:
> > The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
> > comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> > which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> > Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support
> its
> > integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> > congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal,
> and
> > appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> > representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists,
> and
> > academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> > names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> > sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> > diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We are
> > pleased to see that the GP has given consideration to the potential for
> > consumer confusion between visually similar marks in the Lao script and
> > other scripts, however we would encourage the creation of a more
> > comprehensive mitigation plan. Thank you again for inviting our input on
> > your work. We are grateful to the GP for this opportunity to share our
> > views. As you move forward with your work, we ask that you keep the NCSG
> > updated on your progress.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Ayden F?rdeline
> > linkedin.com/in/ferdeline<http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script
> Root
> > Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> > Local Time: 10 December 2016 11:38 AM
> > UTC Time: 10 December 2016 17:38
> > From: icann at ferdeline.com
> > To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
> > NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>,
> > pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
> >
> > Tapani, hi-
> >
> > Thanks for this feedback. I am just rushing to board a flight to Dallas,
> so
> > thought I might quickly send through a revised consultation response. The
> > only difference here is the addition of the sentence in bold, which I
> hope
> > addresses the legitimate concerns that you raised. Do you think this is
> > adequate? Please note that comments on this consultation close in 12
> hours
> > time, so I am also c/c'ing the Policy Committee into this email in the
> > hopes that it may still be possible to lodge this response, provided it
> is
> > suitable and addresses your concerns (and the concerns of others in the
> > NCSG).
> >
> > The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
> > comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> > which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> > Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support
> its
> > integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> > congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal,
> and
> > appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> > representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists,
> and
> > academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> > names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> > sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> > diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We
> offer,
> > however, one word of caution: we encourage the creation of a
> comprehensive
> > mitigation plan with measures to avoid consumer confusion where there are
> > visually similar marks between the Lao script and other scripts. Thank
> you
> > again for inviting our input on your work. We are grateful to the GP for
> > this opportunity to share our views. As you move forward with your work,
> we
> > ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your progress.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Ayden F?rdeline
> > linkedin.com/in/ferdeline<http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script
> Root
> > Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> > Local Time: 2 December 2016 4:30 AM
> > UTC Time: 2 December 2016 10:30
> > From: ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO
> > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> >
> > Hi Ayden,
> >
> > Thanks for picking this up. I'm looking at the proposal waiting
> > for next flight towards Mexico, upon very quick reading it seems
> > pretty good but a few things caught my eye.
> >
> > First, the diphthong treatment: it would seem to leave room for
> > potential confusion by allowing same word to appear in multiple
> > different forms.
> >
> > Now I've forgotten all of the 20 or so words of Lao I once knew and
> > don't really know if that's a real danger (are there any Lao speakers
> > among us?), but we might want to flag that in some way.
> >
> > I was also looking for a mention of Lao numerals, didn't see any,
> > not sure if it could be an issue (and too tired to recall or google
> > how other variants of Arabic numerals have been treated).
> >
> > Another thing I found interesting struck is the analysis of
> > cross-script variants: I'm not quite sure their conclusion to avoid
> > defining any simply because Thai and Lao code points cannot be mixed
> > in a label sufficient - again I'd need a Lao or at least Thai speaker
> > to confirm my suspicion but I could imagine an acronym that'd be
> > confusingly similar with some font.
> >
> > Lacking real expertise I'm not suggesting explicit criticism of any of
> > those points, but perhaps language that flags them and commends the
> > Lao GP for considering them and noting that such issues are in general
> > important and merit thoroughness might work.
> >
> > --
> > Tapani Tarvainen
> >
> >
> > On Dec 01 08:37, Ayden F?rdeline (icann at ferdeline.com) wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings all,
> > >
> > > I have drafted a brief consultation response on behalf of the NCSG in
> > relation to the [Proposal for Lao Script Root Zone? Label Generation
> Rules](
> > https://www.icann.org/public-comments/lao-lgr-2016-10-24-en) (LGR).
> > Comments can be submitted until 10 December. I consider the proposal to
> be
> > very reasonable and not controversial, so I was thinking we could submit
> > the following message of support:
> > >
> > >
> > > The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity
> to
> > comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> > which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> > Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support
> its
> > integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> > congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal,
> and
> > appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> > representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists,
> and
> > academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> > names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> > sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> > diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. Thank
> you
> > again for inviting our input on your work. We are grateful to the GP for
> > this opportunity to share our views. As you move forward with your work,
> we
> > ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your progress.
> > >
> > >
> > > You can read the consultation documents in full here:
> > https://www.icann.org/public-comments/lao-lgr-2016-10-24-en
> > >
> > > Please feel free to edit my statement, especially if you think I have
> > overlooked something. I will forward whatever materials we have to the
> NCSG
> > Policy Committee to consider submitting on behalf of the NCSG on 5
> > December, to give them a few days to contemplate submission. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ayden F?rdeline
> > > [linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)
> > <http://linkedin.com/in/ferdeline%5D(http://www.
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)>
>
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