[PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we all have time for

Fri Sep 18 16:00:17 EEST 2015

Thanks Avri. 

 That makes complete sense to me and clears up some of my confusion. Much appreciated.

 Ed

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 From: "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:54 PM
To: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org
Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we all have time for   
Hi,

I expect the chair vote will actually be done in the first meeting of
the new council in Dublin.

The issue with not deciding on the v-chair until after we know about
this election is that you cannot nominate for v-chair until after the
election. you need a v-chair to run the election.

but you will have at least one continuing v-chair from 2015, David, so
he can run the election. then the ncph v-chair process can be done post
Dublin before the first post Dublin council meeting.

avri

On 18-Sep-15 08:40, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The confcall is open to all membership.
> We are deciding for nomination only.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> On Sep 18, 2015 9:37 PM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi Rafik,
>
> Thanks for that.
>
> I just wanted to confirm we're only deciding Chair nomination and
> not Chair vote. In other words, any support for Heather or
> any other NCPH candidate now,does not necessarily oblige any of us
> to support the NCPH candidate in the final election. Obviously
> until we definitely know who, if anyone, the CPH is putting
> forward I wouldn't want to do that.
>
> Also, although she won't be involved in the nomination should we
> invite Stefania to be part of the call son she can get to know
> Heather a bit better in case she is nominated?
>
> Thanks again for tolerating my relative ignorance as, as Stephanie
> might say :), a newbie to the process.
>
> Ed
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> *Sent*: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:23 PM
> *To*: "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>
> *Cc*: "NCSG-Policy" <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>>
> *Subject*: re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE:
> FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
> all have time for
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> We have to decide first who to nominate for chair election from
> NCPH. The deadline for ncph is 25th september. That process and
> timeline are already outlined by GNSO council. After that we will
> do election the vice chair at ncph level.
> Procedure for vice-chair was already agreed for this year.
>
> Rafik
>
> On Sep 18, 2015 9:17 PM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi Rafik,
>
> Thanks for doing all of this.
>
> Could you clarify for me, and perhaps the others who are going
> through this for the first time, what exactly we're deciding?
> There are obviously many things going on here (Chair, VC,
> nomination, election, procedures) which overlap two different
> Councils and for which all moving parts are not yet in place.
>
> Sorry for being a bit slow on the uptake.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> *Sent*: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:33 PM
> *To*: "NCSG-Policy" <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
> <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>>
> *Subject*: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE:
> FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what
> we all have time for
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> response from steve to David suggestion.
> the call with Heather will be held in Wednesday. how shall we
> make decision after that? an ad-hoc call or just via the
> mailing list?
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Metalitz, Steven* <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>
> Date: 2015-09-17 22:25 GMT+09:00
> Subject: RE: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW:
> [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
> all have time for
> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>, "avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>" <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>
> Cc: David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>, Amr Elsadr
> <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>, Rafik
> Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, Stephanie Perrin
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>, Marilia Maciel
> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>,
> Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au
> <mailto:Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au>>, "David Fares
> (dfares at 21cf.com <mailto:dfares at 21cf.com>)" <dfares at 21cf.com
> <mailto:dfares at 21cf.com>>, "Greg Shatan
> (gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>)"
> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
> "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>, "Philip
> Corwin (psc at vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>)"
> <psc at vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>>, Tony Harris
> <harris at cabase.org.ar <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>>, "Tony
> Holmes (tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>)"
> <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>>
>
>
>
> NCSG colleagues,
>
>
>
> I have consulted with CSG Executive Committee (copied in here)
> and there is no objection to the position that if a CSG person
> (e.g., Heather) is elected council chair, then the council
> vice chair for our House should not come from CSG.
>
>
>
> I understand you are working to set up a call with Heather to
> discuss her council chair candidacy. If that goes well,
> please let me know so that we can work out the specifics of
> making a joint nomination by the Sept. 25 deadline.
>
>
>
> If Heather is ultimately elected then we can proceed to the
> vice chair selection process, using the modified version of
> Avri's proposal, with the expectation that no one from CSG
> would be nominated.
>
>
>
> Steve Metalitz
>
>
>
> *From:*Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:39 AM
> *To:* avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
> *Cc:* David Cake; Amr Elsadr; Rafik Dammak; Metalitz, Steven;
> Stephanie Perrin; Marilia Maciel; Heather Forrest
> *Subject:* Re: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW:
> [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
> all have time for
>
>
>
> I agree as well. It makes things a bit simpler and more
> straightforward.
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > this makes sense to me.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 15-Sep-15 10:21, David Cake wrote:
> >>>>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 8:31 pm, Amr Elsadr
> <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Steve, Rafik and all, >> >> Apologies about my late
> response to
> > this message. >> >>> On Sep 11, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Rafik Dammak
> > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM <mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>
> wrote: >> >> [SNIP] >> >>> About your question
> > below, yes I think that is about considering them in tandem
> at least to
> > shorten the process we also assume that there is
> interrelation between
> > selecting a vice-chair and nominating a candidate for chair.
> Amr may
> > add more details here. >> >> This wasn't originally my
> suggestion, but I
> > did support this being a discussion item. Of course, Steve
> is correct.
> > The chair and vice-chair election/selection processes are very
> > different, and carried out by different groups. However, my
> personal
> > thought on this matter is that it would be desirable to
> avoid having
> > both a council chair and vice-chair from the same
> stakeholder group of
> > the NCPH. > > Yes. > My experience as vice-chair is that while I
> > don't think its a regular problem, I think there are some
> situations in
> > which it might be a governance issue if 2 of the 3 council
> leadership
> > positions were held by the same SG. I don't think we need to
> combine the
> > two procedures into a single unified one, a simple rule that
> if we have
> > an NCPH chair, the vice-chair is from the other NCPH SG
> regardless of
> > any rotation rules, would be reasonable. > I actually think this
> > rule might be in NCPH interests - I think the CPH might be
> more likely
> > to vote for an NCPH chair if they know that there will be
> some balance,
> > and the Chair is definitely more important. > Regards > > David
> >
> >
> >
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