[PC-NCSG] GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we all have time for
David Cake
dave
Fri Sep 25 09:18:11 EEST 2015
Yes, I think that is the plan. Presumably I will chair the council for the Chair vote, which is probably the only major item of business for the new council, which is done as a live council vote, then hand over immediately to the new chair. The vice-chair process is entirely separate, and is not done ?live? - if a vote is necessary, its done via email.
David
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 8:54 pm, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I expect the chair vote will actually be done in the first meeting of
> the new council in Dublin.
>
> The issue with not deciding on the v-chair until after we know about
> this election is that you cannot nominate for v-chair until after the
> election. you need a v-chair to run the election.
>
> but you will have at least one continuing v-chair from 2015, David, so
> he can run the election. then the ncph v-chair process can be done post
> Dublin before the first post Dublin council meeting.
>
> avri
>
> On 18-Sep-15 08:40, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The confcall is open to all membership.
>> We are deciding for nomination only.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2015 9:37 PM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> Thanks for that.
>>
>> I just wanted to confirm we're only deciding Chair nomination and
>> not Chair vote. In other words, any support for Heather or
>> any other NCPH candidate now,does not necessarily oblige any of us
>> to support the NCPH candidate in the final election. Obviously
>> until we definitely know who, if anyone, the CPH is putting
>> forward I wouldn't want to do that.
>>
>> Also, although she won't be involved in the nomination should we
>> invite Stefania to be part of the call son she can get to know
>> Heather a bit better in case she is nominated?
>>
>> Thanks again for tolerating my relative ignorance as, as Stephanie
>> might say :), a newbie to the process.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> *Sent*: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:23 PM
>> *To*: "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>
>> *Cc*: "NCSG-Policy" <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>>
>> *Subject*: re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE:
>> FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
>> all have time for
>>
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> We have to decide first who to nominate for chair election from
>> NCPH. The deadline for ncph is 25th september. That process and
>> timeline are already outlined by GNSO council. After that we will
>> do election the vice chair at ncph level.
>> Procedure for vice-chair was already agreed for this year.
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2015 9:17 PM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> Thanks for doing all of this.
>>
>> Could you clarify for me, and perhaps the others who are going
>> through this for the first time, what exactly we're deciding?
>> There are obviously many things going on here (Chair, VC,
>> nomination, election, procedures) which overlap two different
>> Councils and for which all moving parts are not yet in place.
>>
>> Sorry for being a bit slow on the uptake.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> *Sent*: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:33 PM
>> *To*: "NCSG-Policy" <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>> <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>>
>> *Subject*: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE:
>> FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what
>> we all have time for
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> response from steve to David suggestion.
>> the call with Heather will be held in Wednesday. how shall we
>> make decision after that? an ad-hoc call or just via the
>> mailing list?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Metalitz, Steven* <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>
>> Date: 2015-09-17 22:25 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: RE: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW:
>> [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
>> all have time for
>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>, "avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>" <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>
>> Cc: David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>> <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>, Amr Elsadr
>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>, Rafik
>> Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, Stephanie Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>, Marilia Maciel
>> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>,
>> Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au
>> <mailto:Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au>>, "David Fares
>> (dfares at 21cf.com <mailto:dfares at 21cf.com>)" <dfares at 21cf.com
>> <mailto:dfares at 21cf.com>>, "Greg Shatan
>> (gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>)"
>> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
>> "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>, "Philip
>> Corwin (psc at vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>)"
>> <psc at vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>>, Tony Harris
>> <harris at cabase.org.ar <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>>, "Tony
>> Holmes (tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
>> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>)"
>> <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>>
>>
>>
>>
>> NCSG colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have consulted with CSG Executive Committee (copied in here)
>> and there is no objection to the position that if a CSG person
>> (e.g., Heather) is elected council chair, then the council
>> vice chair for our House should not come from CSG.
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand you are working to set up a call with Heather to
>> discuss her council chair candidacy. If that goes well,
>> please let me know so that we can work out the specifics of
>> making a joint nomination by the Sept. 25 deadline.
>>
>>
>>
>> If Heather is ultimately elected then we can proceed to the
>> vice chair selection process, using the modified version of
>> Avri?s proposal, with the expectation that no one from CSG
>> would be nominated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Metalitz
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:*Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:39 AM
>> *To:* avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>> *Cc:* David Cake; Amr Elsadr; Rafik Dammak; Metalitz, Steven;
>> Stephanie Perrin; Marilia Maciel; Heather Forrest
>> *Subject:* Re: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW:
>> [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
>> all have time for
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree as well. It makes things a bit simpler and more
>> straightforward.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> this makes sense to me.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15-Sep-15 10:21, David Cake wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 8:31 pm, Amr Elsadr
>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Steve, Rafik and all, >> >> Apologies about my late
>> response to
>>> this message. >> >>> On Sep 11, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM <mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>
>> wrote: >> >> [SNIP] >> >>> About your question
>>> below, yes I think that is about considering them in tandem
>> at least to
>>> shorten the process we also assume that there is
>> interrelation between
>>> selecting a vice-chair and nominating a candidate for chair.
>> Amr may
>>> add more details here. >> >> This wasn?t originally my
>> suggestion, but I
>>> did support this being a discussion item. Of course, Steve
>> is correct.
>>> The chair and vice-chair election/selection processes are very
>>> different, and carried out by different groups. However, my
>> personal
>>> thought on this matter is that it would be desirable to
>> avoid having
>>> both a council chair and vice-chair from the same
>> stakeholder group of
>>> the NCPH. > > Yes. > My experience as vice-chair is that while I
>>> don?t think its a regular problem, I think there are some
>> situations in
>>> which it might be a governance issue if 2 of the 3 council
>> leadership
>>> positions were held by the same SG. I don?t think we need to
>> combine the
>>> two procedures into a single unified one, a simple rule that
>> if we have
>>> an NCPH chair, the vice-chair is from the other NCPH SG
>> regardless of
>>> any rotation rules, would be reasonable. > I actually think this
>>> rule might be in NCPH interests - I think the CPH might be
>> more likely
>>> to vote for an NCPH chair if they know that there will be
>> some balance,
>>> and the Chair is definitely more important. > Regards > > David
>>>
>>>
>>>
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