[PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we all have time for

Avri Doria avri
Fri Sep 18 15:54:25 EEST 2015


Hi,

I expect the chair vote will actually be done in the first meeting of
the new council in Dublin.

The issue with not deciding on the v-chair until after we know about
this election is that you cannot nominate for v-chair until after the
election.  you need a v-chair to run the election.

but you will have at least one continuing v-chair from 2015, David, so
he can run the election.  then the ncph v-chair process can be done post
Dublin before the first post Dublin council meeting.

avri

On 18-Sep-15 08:40, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The confcall is open to all membership.
> We are deciding for nomination only.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> On Sep 18, 2015 9:37 PM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Rafik,
>      
>     Thanks for that.
>      
>     I just wanted to confirm we're only deciding Chair nomination and
>     not Chair  vote. In other words, any support for Heather or
>     any other NCPH candidate now,does not necessarily oblige any of us
>     to support  the NCPH candidate in the final election. Obviously
>     until we definitely know who, if anyone, the CPH is putting
>     forward I wouldn't want to do that.
>      
>     Also, although she won't be involved in the nomination should we
>     invite Stefania to be part of the call son she can get to know
>     Heather a bit better in case she is nominated? 
>      
>     Thanks again for tolerating my relative ignorance as, as Stephanie
>     might say :), a newbie to the process. 
>      
>     Ed
>      
>      
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>     <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>     *Sent*: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:23 PM
>     *To*: "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
>     <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>
>     *Cc*: "NCSG-Policy" <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>     <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>>
>     *Subject*: re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE:
>     FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
>     all have time for
>      
>
>     Hi Ed,
>
>     We have to decide first who to nominate for chair election from
>     NCPH. The deadline for ncph is 25th september. That process and
>     timeline are already outlined by GNSO council. After that  we will
>     do election the vice chair at ncph level.
>     Procedure for vice-chair  was already agreed for this year.
>
>     Rafik
>
>     On Sep 18, 2015 9:17 PM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
>     <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>
>         Hi Rafik,
>          
>         Thanks for doing all of this.
>          
>         Could you clarify for me, and perhaps the others who are going
>         through this for the first time, what exactly we're deciding?
>         There are obviously many things going on here (Chair, VC,
>         nomination, election, procedures) which overlap two different
>         Councils and for which all moving parts are not yet in place. 
>          
>         Sorry for being a bit slow on the uptake.
>          
>         Thanks,
>          
>         Ed
>          
>          
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>         <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>         *Sent*: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:33 PM
>         *To*: "NCSG-Policy" <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org
>         <mailto:PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>>
>         *Subject*: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE:
>         FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what
>         we all have time for
>          
>         Hi everyone,
>          
>         response from steve to David suggestion.
>         the call with Heather will be held in Wednesday. how shall we
>         make decision after that? an ad-hoc call or just via the
>         mailing list?
>          
>         Best,
>          
>         Rafik
>          
>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>         From: *Metalitz, Steven* <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>
>         Date: 2015-09-17 22:25 GMT+09:00
>         Subject: RE: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW:
>         [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
>         all have time for
>         To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
>         <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>, "avri at acm.org
>         <mailto:avri at acm.org>" <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>
>         Cc: David Cake <dave at difference.com.au
>         <mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>, Amr Elsadr
>         <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>, Rafik
>         Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>         <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, Stephanie Perrin
>         <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>         <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>, Marilia Maciel
>         <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>,
>         Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au
>         <mailto:Heather.Forrest at acu.edu.au>>, "David Fares
>         (dfares at 21cf.com <mailto:dfares at 21cf.com>)" <dfares at 21cf.com
>         <mailto:dfares at 21cf.com>>, "Greg Shatan
>         (gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>)"
>         <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
>         "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>, "Philip
>         Corwin (psc at vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>)"
>         <psc at vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>>, Tony Harris
>         <harris at cabase.org.ar <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>>, "Tony
>         Holmes (tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
>         <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>)"
>         <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>>
>
>          
>
>         NCSG colleagues,
>
>          
>
>         I have consulted with CSG Executive Committee (copied in here)
>         and there is no objection to the position that if a CSG person
>         (e.g., Heather) is elected council chair, then the council
>         vice chair for our House should not come from CSG. 
>
>          
>
>         I understand you are working to set up a call with Heather to
>         discuss her council chair candidacy.  If that goes well,
>         please let me know so that we can work out the specifics of
>         making a joint nomination by the Sept. 25 deadline.  
>
>          
>
>         If Heather is ultimately elected then we can proceed to the
>         vice chair selection process, using the modified version of
>         Avri?s proposal, with the expectation that no one from CSG
>         would be nominated. 
>
>          
>
>         Steve Metalitz
>
>          
>
>         *From:*Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net
>         <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>]
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:39 AM
>         *To:* avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>         *Cc:* David Cake; Amr Elsadr; Rafik Dammak; Metalitz, Steven;
>         Stephanie Perrin; Marilia Maciel; Heather Forrest
>         *Subject:* Re: GNSO council chair elections WAS RE: FW:
>         [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we
>         all have time for
>
>          
>
>         I agree as well. It makes things a bit simpler and more
>         straightforward.
>
>         Ed
>
>         Sent from my iPhone
>
>         > On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>         <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>         >
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > this makes sense to me.
>         >
>         > avri
>         >
>         >
>         > On 15-Sep-15 10:21, David Cake wrote:
>         >>>>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 8:31 pm, Amr Elsadr
>         <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>> wrote:
>         >>>>> Hi Steve, Rafik and all, >> >> Apologies about my late
>         response to
>         > this message. >> >>> On Sep 11, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Rafik Dammak
>         > <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM <mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>>
>         wrote: >> >> [SNIP] >> >>> About your question
>         > below, yes I think that is about considering them in tandem
>         at least to
>         > shorten the process we also assume that there is
>         interrelation between
>         > selecting a vice-chair and nominating a candidate for chair.
>         Amr may
>         > add more details here. >> >> This wasn?t originally my
>         suggestion, but I
>         > did support this being a discussion item. Of course, Steve
>         is correct.
>         > The chair and vice-chair election/selection processes are very
>         > different, and carried out by different groups. However, my
>         personal
>         > thought on this matter is that it would be desirable to
>         avoid having
>         > both a council chair and vice-chair from the same
>         stakeholder group of
>         > the NCPH. > > Yes. > My experience as vice-chair is that while I
>         > don?t think its a regular problem, I think there are some
>         situations in
>         > which it might be a governance issue if 2 of the 3 council
>         leadership
>         > positions were held by the same SG. I don?t think we need to
>         combine the
>         > two procedures into a single unified one, a simple rule that
>         if we have
>         > an NCPH chair, the vice-chair is from the other NCPH SG
>         regardless of
>         > any rotation rules, would be reasonable. > I actually think this
>         > rule might be in NCPH interests - I think the CPH might be
>         more likely
>         > to vote for an NCPH chair if they know that there will be
>         some balance,
>         > and the Chair is definitely more important. > Regards > > David
>         >
>         >
>         >
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