[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Re: discussing distribution of ICANN material

[Stephanie Perrin]

Sorry, sent this only to Amr (reply not reply all)
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Subject: 	Re: [PC-NCSG] discussing distribution of ICANN material
Date: 	Tue, 19 May 2015 10:35:42 -0400
From: 	Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
To: 	Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>



I agree.  From a tiny spark, a mighty conflagration has arisen. Let's
get back to drafting comments folks.  I think Ed has raised a valid
point...in terms of whether it is useful for the attention of team
members to be attracted to propaganda when there is so much vital info
we have not the time to read.  But we have a pile of things that need
attention.  If anyone would like to promote response to the PPSAI call
for comments, we have already agreed to draft a short two pager of the
key issues, to circulate to all your contacts.  Stay tuned, that one
will definitely go to the list!

cheers Steph
On 15-05-19 6:23 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I didn?t read Ed?s email to be particularly accusatory in nature as others have. Perhaps a bit insensitive to a newbie staff member, who as Ed pointed out in his original email similarly to new NCSG members, might not be aware of the absence of full agreement among NCSG members to take on staff support.
>
> Having said that, I disagree with Ed?s premise regarding Maryam?s role as staff support. I also think it would have been a better idea to raise this issue on the PC or EC lists than NCSG-DISCUSS. I suspect that might have been Ed?s intent (at least that?s what he said). If anything, it seems to me that some of the responses to his email created more awkwardness in the discussion than the original email did in itself.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On May 19, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>> first I think that the admin staff was unfairly treated and got implicit accusations of wrongdoings in public list. this should be answered.
>> Specifics Rafik. "Implicit accusations of wrongdoing". Where did that come from?
>>
>> Folks here seem to want to personalize this. Wrongdoing?
>>
>>
>> I am not personalising it, I am stating how your message can be interpreted. you kept mentioning that she shared a video of her employer, stressingthat part several times .then you implied that probably she was asked to do. you have no fact to support your claims so yes it is an accusation.
>>
>>
>>> regarding material distribution, there is one element we should have inmind : they are publicly available and such emails are merely notifying people about their existence. The admin support is trying to be proactive andhelpful. Maryam usually check with me about sending announcements (while Istill send most of them) but I gave her an implicit approval to share. we are not supposed to do gatekeeper work but we can do better job to explain the background about those public information.
>>>
>>> do we really want NCSG to do content policing now? ironic situation.
>> Then open the list to nonmembers. Let's let Richard Hill post his pro-ITU ideas. If Steve DelBianco wants to address our members then let's allow it. Once staff starts posting substantive material it no longer is a membersonly list and should be open to all.
>>
>>
>> straw-man argument. the list is open for NCSG members and Maryam was added to do her admin tasks. the admin staff is merely sharing public info that are already online and accessible to everyone!!!! she is not participating in policy-making, the discussion or whatever.  probably you prefer me as an elected admin worker?
>>
>> Policing content? That's a rubbish accusation. A members list is for members, not staff. Or so I thought.
>>
>>
>> we are 24hour from the deadline to submit the comment on IANA stewardship and we have to spend time on this.
>>
>> Rafik
>>> 2015-05-19 16:59 GMT+09:00 Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I really think we should have held a discussion of what materials are
>>> appropriate to pass on to the NCSG membership in either the EC or the
>>> PC.  I do not think it appropriate to have berated a staff member who is
>>> attempting to help us by keeping us informed in such a public manner.
>>>
>>> I think it was cruel and unnecessary.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
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