[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Re: discussing distribution of ICANN material

Wed May 20 03:06:12 EEST 2015

Hi,

2015-05-20 4:10 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:

>  Sorry, sent this only to Amr (reply not reply all)
> SP
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------  Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] discussing
> distribution of ICANN material  Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:35:42 -0400  From:
> Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>  To: Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
> <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
>
> I agree.  From a tiny spark, a mighty conflagration has arisen. Let's
> get back to drafting comments folks.  I think Ed has raised a valid
> point...in terms of whether it is useful for the attention of team
> members to be attracted to propaganda when there is so much vital info
> we have not the time to read.  But we have a pile of things that need
> attention.
>
>

I think I explained the issue of messaging and sharing info when I
responded to NCSG list. I usually receive most of the announcement and
share those relevant to us either to NCSG list or PC list when it is about
appointment etc. Maryam was trying to be helpful to get some workload and
usually check with me before sending. I gave her an implicit approval to
share some stuff. if she mistook this time, thinking that such video was
relevant for newcomer to understand about ICANN, I could fix this easily by
giving her more clear instruction and feedback. now it becomes more
complicated, so I will have to post most of the announcement myself again.

also I would like to hear more facts here, how much non-relevant info or
propaganda  we are getting in the list?

 If anyone would like to promote response to the PPSAI call
> for comments, we have already agreed to draft a short two pager of the
> key issues, to circulate to all your contacts.  Stay tuned, that one
> will definitely go to the list!
>
>
so you are volunteering  and committed for the 2 pager for PPSAI? can you
please tell by when you will send it?

Rafik

> On 15-05-19 6:23 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I didn?t read Ed?s email to be particularly accusatory in nature as others have. Perhaps a bit insensitive to a newbie staff member, who as Ed pointed out in his original email similarly to new NCSG members, might not be aware of the absence of full agreement among NCSG members to take on staff support.
> >
> > Having said that, I disagree with Ed?s premise regarding Maryam?s role as staff support. I also think it would have been a better idea to raise this issue on the PC or EC lists than NCSG-DISCUSS. I suspect that might have been Ed?s intent (at least that?s what he said). If anything, it seems to me that some of the responses to his email created more awkwardness in the discussion than the original email did in itself.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Amr
> >
> > On May 19, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>> first I think that the admin staff was unfairly treated and got implicit accusations of wrongdoings in public list. this should be answered.
> >> Specifics Rafik. "Implicit accusations of wrongdoing". Where did that come from?
> >>
> >> Folks here seem to want to personalize this. Wrongdoing?
> >>
> >>
> >> I am not personalising it, I am stating how your message can be interpreted. you kept mentioning that she shared a video of her employer, stressingthat part several times .then you implied that probably she was asked to do. you have no fact to support your claims so yes it is an accusation.
> >>
> >>
> >>> regarding material distribution, there is one element we should have inmind : they are publicly available and such emails are merely notifying people about their existence. The admin support is trying to be proactive andhelpful. Maryam usually check with me about sending announcements (while Istill send most of them) but I gave her an implicit approval to share. we are not supposed to do gatekeeper work but we can do better job to explain the background about those public information.
> >>>
> >>> do we really want NCSG to do content policing now? ironic situation.
> >> Then open the list to nonmembers. Let's let Richard Hill post his pro-ITU ideas. If Steve DelBianco wants to address our members then let's allow it. Once staff starts posting substantive material it no longer is a membersonly list and should be open to all.
> >>
> >>
> >> straw-man argument. the list is open for NCSG members and Maryam was added to do her admin tasks. the admin staff is merely sharing public info that are already online and accessible to everyone!!!! she is not participating in policy-making, the discussion or whatever.  probably you prefer me as an elected admin worker?
> >>
> >> Policing content? That's a rubbish accusation. A members list is for members, not staff. Or so I thought.
> >>
> >>
> >> we are 24hour from the deadline to submit the comment on IANA stewardship and we have to spend time on this.
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >>> 2015-05-19 16:59 GMT+09:00 Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> <avri at acm.org>:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I really think we should have held a discussion of what materials are
> >>> appropriate to pass on to the NCSG membership in either the EC or the
> >>> PC.  I do not think it appropriate to have berated a staff member who is
> >>> attempting to help us by keeping us informed in such a public manner.
> >>>
> >>> I think it was cruel and unnecessary.
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
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