[PC-NCSG] Consensus check on Re: [] [] NCSG position regarding by-laws change for GAC advice

[Avri Doria]

On 22-Sep-14 10:04, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If we add another paragrapgh we do go back to zero and need to reread
> and give a new measure of agreement.
> 
> as for our PC chair, we have 2.  A Primary and an alternate, either of
> whom can ask as chair.  Are both too busy for this committee?  if so,

.. can act ..

> perhaps we need a new solution.
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 22-Sep-14 08:34, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> Actually, it isn?t. There?s a paragraph I?d like to add based on
>> feedback from Robin. I should have done that days ago, but have been
>> a little swamped. I promise to get it done today.
>>
>> I also suspect that there may be comments about the change I put in,
>> and think it might be a good idea to give a few more days for folks
>> to look it over again once it?s done. We still have some time as the
>> reply period is open until October 6th.
>>
>> Apologies for the delay.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Amr
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I think this document is ready for consensus call, hope the PC
>>> chairs can do it asap
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2014-09-18 7:12 GMT+09:00 Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>: Hi
>>> again,
>>>
>>> Made some changes to the document based on feedback. I exchanged
>>> ?less private sector-led? to ?less community-driven? in the first
>>> paragraph (although not completely convinced with this).
>>>
>>> Also took the part about some of the GAC members representing
>>> authoritarian regimes out of the fourth paragraph. Some rationale
>>> provided in comments on the document.
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Amr
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great. I?m fine with those two.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Amr
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> My inclination
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17-Sep-14 16:33, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ones I liked that weren?t by NCSG members were the ones
>>>>>> by:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Internet Commerce Association submitted by Phil Corwin 
>>>>>> (http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00012.html)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
> i do not support this one. Has an implication that paying money is
>>>>> relevant.  also seems to deny that governments are stakeholders
>>>>> like everyone wwesle (I know we don't all agree wtih this)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blacknight submitted by Michele Neylon 
>>>>>> (http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00036.html)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
> not this one either.
>>>>> he refers to Corwin whose comment i dont endorse.
>>>>>
>>>>> but we might want to endorse thee Internet Infrastructure he
>>>>> refers to.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00032.html
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tucows submitted by Graeme Bunton 
>>>>>> (http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00038.html)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
> i agree with this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we would need to read and agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17-Sep-14 11:51, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sounds good. Would that include non-NCSG comments we
>>>>>>>> might want to approve of? Or would that be too big a
>>>>>>>> reading assignment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I approve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We may want to include in the cover note that this is
>>>>>>>>> sent in response and support of previous comments and
>>>>>>>>> then enumerate any we agree with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That we have followed the response rule.  I recommend
>>>>>>>>> leaving the stmt as is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17-Sep-14 09:48, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can we get this comment approved and submitted soon.
>>>>>>>>>> There have only been a couple of minor changes;
>>>>>>>>>> mostly just language.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Amr Elsadr
>>>>>>>>>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great catch, Carlos. Slipped my mind. Thanks for
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez
>>>>>>>>>>>  <carlosraulg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only one additional comment: there is already a
>>>>>>>>>>>> direct liaison between GNSO and GAC to ensure
>>>>>>>>>>>> early and active communication and engagement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez Chair ISOC Costa Rica
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chapter _____________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> email:   	crg at isoc-cr.org Skype:  	carlos.raulg
>>>>>>>>>>>> +506 8335 2487
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> La Internet Society (ISOC) es una organizaci?n 
>>>>>>>>>>>> internacional sin fines de lucro fundada en 1992
>>>>>>>>>>>> para proporcionar liderazgo en est?ndares
>>>>>>>>>>>> relacionados educaci?n y pol?tica de Internet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Con oficinas en Washington DC, Estados Unidos, y
>>>>>>>>>>>> en Ginebra, Suiza, busca asegurar el desarrollo,
>>>>>>>>>>>> la evoluci?n y la utilizaci?n de Internet en
>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficio de las personas en todo el mundo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> El 15/09/2014, a las 08:58, Amr Elsadr 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <aelsadr at EGYPTIG.ORG> escribi?:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I?ve tried to capture the essence of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different comments submitted by NCSG members
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including, Milton, Robin, Ed, Avri, Wisdom and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my own. I don?t know if it does them all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, but I?ve posted it here: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> If I?ve missed any other comments submitted by NCSG members, please let
>>>>>>>>> me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The document is open for viewing and editing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it?d be helpful if folks highlighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commented on proposed changes so I can keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>> track of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Amr Elsadr 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could try to consolidate the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submitted by NCSG members into one document
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see if folks like it. I believe that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all cover different and important aspects of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why the proposed by-laws amendment is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Rafik Dammak 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Avri again for submitting your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution and sharing it with us. we had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion within NCSG list about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and maybe it is time to summarise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common position on that matter. we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer(s) to collect the opinions shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the list and draft a comment for review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deadline is 14th september but we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still the reply period we can use to submit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/bylaws-amend-gac-advice-2014-08-15-en
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> @Amr @Kathy you participated in the discussion is it possible to
>>>>>>>>> volunteer for drafting a NCSG contribution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> Date:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-09 3:23 GMT+09:00 Subject:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [NCSG-Discuss] Submitted individual comment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on GAC advice amendment To: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted an individual comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00017.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> avri
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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