[PC-NCSG] Consensus check on Re: [] [] NCSG position regarding by-laws change for GAC advice
Avri Doria
avri
Mon Sep 22 17:04:28 EEST 2014
Hi,
If we add another paragrapgh we do go back to zero and need to reread
and give a new measure of agreement.
as for our PC chair, we have 2. A Primary and an alternate, either of
whom can ask as chair. Are both too busy for this committee? if so,
perhaps we need a new solution.
avri
On 22-Sep-14 08:34, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Hi Rafik,
>
> Actually, it isn?t. There?s a paragraph I?d like to add based on
> feedback from Robin. I should have done that days ago, but have been
> a little swamped. I promise to get it done today.
>
> I also suspect that there may be comments about the change I put in,
> and think it might be a good idea to give a few more days for folks
> to look it over again once it?s done. We still have some time as the
> reply period is open until October 6th.
>
> Apologies for the delay.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I think this document is ready for consensus call, hope the PC
>> chairs can do it asap
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-09-18 7:12 GMT+09:00 Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>: Hi
>> again,
>>
>> Made some changes to the document based on feedback. I exchanged
>> ?less private sector-led? to ?less community-driven? in the first
>> paragraph (although not completely convinced with this).
>>
>> Also took the part about some of the GAC members representing
>> authoritarian regimes out of the fourth paragraph. Some rationale
>> provided in comments on the document.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit
>>
>>
>>
Thanks.
>>
>> Amr
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great. I?m fine with those two.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Amr
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> My inclination
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Sep-14 16:33, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The ones I liked that weren?t by NCSG members were the ones
>>>>> by:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Internet Commerce Association submitted by Phil Corwin
>>>>> (http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00012.html)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
i do not support this one. Has an implication that paying money is
>>>> relevant. also seems to deny that governments are stakeholders
>>>> like everyone wwesle (I know we don't all agree wtih this)
>>>>
>>>>> Blacknight submitted by Michele Neylon
>>>>> (http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00036.html)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
not this one either.
>>>> he refers to Corwin whose comment i dont endorse.
>>>>
>>>> but we might want to endorse thee Internet Infrastructure he
>>>> refers to.
>>>>
>>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00032.html
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
and
>>>>>
>>>>> Tucows submitted by Graeme Bunton
>>>>> (http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00038.html)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
i agree with this one.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amr
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we would need to read and agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17-Sep-14 11:51, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>> Sounds good. Would that include non-NCSG comments we
>>>>>>> might want to approve of? Or would that be too big a
>>>>>>> reading assignment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I approve.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may want to include in the cover note that this is
>>>>>>>> sent in response and support of previous comments and
>>>>>>>> then enumerate any we agree with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That we have followed the response rule. I recommend
>>>>>>>> leaving the stmt as is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17-Sep-14 09:48, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can we get this comment approved and submitted soon.
>>>>>>>>> There have only been a couple of minor changes;
>>>>>>>>> mostly just language.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Amr Elsadr
>>>>>>>>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great catch, Carlos. Slipped my mind. Thanks for
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez
>>>>>>>>>> <carlosraulg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only one additional comment: there is already a
>>>>>>>>>>> direct liaison between GNSO and GAC to ensure
>>>>>>>>>>> early and active communication and engagement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez Chair ISOC Costa Rica
>>>>>>>>>>> Chapter _____________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> email: crg at isoc-cr.org Skype: carlos.raulg
>>>>>>>>>>> +506 8335 2487
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> La Internet Society (ISOC) es una organizaci?n
>>>>>>>>>>> internacional sin fines de lucro fundada en 1992
>>>>>>>>>>> para proporcionar liderazgo en est?ndares
>>>>>>>>>>> relacionados educaci?n y pol?tica de Internet.
>>>>>>>>>>> Con oficinas en Washington DC, Estados Unidos, y
>>>>>>>>>>> en Ginebra, Suiza, busca asegurar el desarrollo,
>>>>>>>>>>> la evoluci?n y la utilizaci?n de Internet en
>>>>>>>>>>> beneficio de las personas en todo el mundo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> El 15/09/2014, a las 08:58, Amr Elsadr
>>>>>>>>>>> <aelsadr at EGYPTIG.ORG> escribi?:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I?ve tried to capture the essence of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> different comments submitted by NCSG members
>>>>>>>>>>>> including, Milton, Robin, Ed, Avri, Wisdom and
>>>>>>>>>>>> my own. I don?t know if it does them all
>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, but I?ve posted it here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISi_1cIaG3Hl4hzCM2VVc8sBsqGJQw6WR3vr6tptUcI/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
If I?ve missed any other comments submitted by NCSG members, please let
>>>>>>>> me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The document is open for viewing and editing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but it?d be helpful if folks highlighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>> commented on proposed changes so I can keep
>>>>>>>>>>>> track of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Amr Elsadr
>>>>>>>>>>>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could try to consolidate the comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>> submitted by NCSG members into one document
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see if folks like it. I believe that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all cover different and important aspects of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> why the proposed by-laws amendment is really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Avri again for submitting your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution and sharing it with us. we had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion within NCSG list about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and maybe it is time to summarise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common position on that matter. we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer(s) to collect the opinions shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the list and draft a comment for review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deadline is 14th september but we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still the reply period we can use to submit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/bylaws-amend-gac-advice-2014-08-15-en
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
@Amr @Kathy you participated in the discussion is it possible to
>>>>>>>> volunteer for drafting a NCSG contribution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> Date:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-09 3:23 GMT+09:00 Subject:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [NCSG-Discuss] Submitted individual comment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on GAC advice amendment To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted an individual comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-bylaws-amend-gac-advice-15aug14/msg00017.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
avri
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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