[PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round

Rafik Dammak rafik.dammak
Sun Apr 20 05:44:18 EEST 2014


Hi Bill,

Wolf-ulrich sent previously a proposal when CSG nominated BillG.
If they want a discussion  , we have a list for the house for such purpose.
We can have meeting in london too, for more regular NCPH dialogue .

Rafik

Ps did Tony really say literally "pow wow" ;)?
On Apr 19, 2014 5:24 PM, "William Drake" <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tony Holmes wrote me to saying we need a house pow wow to improve working
> methods, might be worth proposing a meeting in London?
>
> Best
>
> Bill
>
> On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> > +1.  Unclear whether our little HLMC committee has some function next
> week, but they would be the priority.  Not clear why policy cttee needs to
> cluster on this, i for one have no real contribution to make.  This process
> is still pretty odd to me.
> > And congrats again to Avri for beating the odds!!
> > stephanie
> > On Apr 19, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
> >> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
> >>
> >> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
> >> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
> >> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
> >> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
> >> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
> >> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
> >> way on things, he can be on the Board.
> >>
> >> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
> >> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
> >> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
> >> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
> >> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
> >> vs. NOTA.
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>> Hi everybody,
> >>>
> >>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
> >>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
> >>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
> >>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them
> know
> >>> about the compromise there.
> >>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result ,
> checking
> >>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
> >>>
> >>>   Hi!
> >>>   It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
> >>>   observations about the CSG reactions.
> >>>   Thank you our brave Avri!
> >>>
> >>>   For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
> >>>   airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
> >>>   credit/bank account card fraud!
> >>>
> >>>   Magaly
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >>>   <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>       Hi Maria,
> >>>
> >>>       Thanks for the summary,
> >>>       it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
> >>>       and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
> >>>       deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
> >>>       yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
> >>>       initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
> >>>       we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
> >>>       I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
> >>>       results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
> >>>       easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
> >>>       quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
> >>>       soon).
> >>>
> >>>       Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>>       Rafik
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
> >>>       <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
> >>>
> >>>           Hi Marie Laure et al,
> >>>
> >>>           Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
> >>>           thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
> >>>           an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
> >>>           candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
> >>>           compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
> >>>           (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
> >>>           and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
> >>>           Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
> >>>           we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved
> inconclusive.
> >>>
> >>>           So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
> >>>           just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
> >>>           NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of
> voting.
> >>>
> >>>           Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
> >>>           on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
> >>>           NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
> >>>
> >>>           From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
> >>>           or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
> >>>           across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.
> >>>
> >>>           Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
> >>>           step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
> >>>           basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
> >>>           shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
> >>>           agree, say we propose Sam.
> >>>
> >>>           How does that sound as a next step?
> >>>
> >>>           Maria
> >>>
> >>>           p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
> >>>           election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
> >>>           secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
> >>>           through. Tant pis!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>           On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >>>           <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>               Hi,
> >>>
> >>>               While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
> >>>               agreed to, I
> >>>               appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
> >>>               the fact that all
> >>>               of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
> >>>               majority vote.
> >>>
> >>>               And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
> >>>
> >>>               Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
> >>>               sole candidate
> >>>               in a election between Sam and none of the above.
> >>>
> >>>               That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
> >>>               the record
> >>>               shows that.
> >>>
> >>>               avri
> >>>
> >>>               On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> >>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
> >>>>
> >>>> The results of the third round were just released.
> >>>                This third round
> >>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
> >>>               NCSG though its
> >>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
> >>>               candidate. Just in
> >>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
> >>>               we had agreed that
> >>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
> >>>               happened, Sam would be
> >>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
> >>>               despite that, in order
> >>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
> >>>               good faith, we (
> >>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
> >>>               happen. Now, that it
> >>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
> >>>               fair thing to do
> >>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
> >>>               disappointment that
> >>>> many can feel.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Marie-laure
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
> >>>               <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
> >>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
> >>>               the committee
> >>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
> >>>               mail. We go for the
> >>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
> >>>               Sam Lanfranco as
> >>>>> the compromise candidate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rudi Vansnick
> >>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
> >>>>> NPOC treasurer
> >>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
> >>>               <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
> >>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
> >>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
> >>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
> >>>               <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
> >>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org> <http://www.npoc.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
> >>>               <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
> >>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
> >>>               volgende geschreven:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
> >>>               what happens.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
> >>>               the deadlock we
> >>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
> >>>               candidate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> avri
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
> >>>                soonest in order to
> >>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
> >>>               round.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Marie-laure
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
> >>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:
> mllemineur at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
> >>>               policy meeting in
> >>>>>>>  Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  ml
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
> >>>               <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>  <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      Mikey is the key.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
> >>>               <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
> >>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
> >>>>>>>      <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
> >>>               <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
> >>>                Keep it up, team!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      Best,
> >>>>>>>>      Robin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>      Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
> >>>               vote this round!! :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>      Nice.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>      On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Hi ,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      The result of 2nd round, we are going to
> >>>               have a 3rd round.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Rafik
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>>>>      From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
> >>>               <Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
> >>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>      Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
> >>>               results second round
> >>>>>>>>>>      To: "krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
> >>>>>>>>>>      <krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
> >>>               <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
> >>>>>>>>>>      "rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>"
> >>>>>>>>>>      <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>               <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
> >>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      <mailto:Glen at icann.org
> >>>               <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      Please find the results of the second
> >>>               round of voting which
> >>>>>>>>>>      closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
> >>>>>>>>>>      Final tally :____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>        7 votes     Avri Doria____
> >>>>>>>>>>        6 votes     Bill Graham____
> >>>>>>>>>>        0 vote      None of the above____
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>      We await your instructions to continue
> >>>               with the third
> >>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
> >>>               April 2014 and
> >>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
> >>>               us with the text
> >>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
> >>>               be sent with the
> >>>>>>>>>> vote.____
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>      Thank you.____
> >>>>>>>>>>      Kind regards,____
> >>>>>>>>>>      __ __
> >>>>>>>>>>      Glen____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *__ __*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      *Machine tally:
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> >>>>>>>>>>      *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>                      Select just one of the
> >>>               nominees below____
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>      Glen de Saint G?ry ____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      GNSO Secretariat ____
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>      gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org
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> >>>>>>>      ***********************************************
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> >>>>>>>      International Fellow & Lecturer
> >>>>>>>        Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> >>>>>>>        University of Zurich, Switzerland
> >>>>>>>      Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> >>>>>>>        ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>
> >>>               <http://www.ncuc.org> <http://www.ncuc.org>
> >>>>>>>      william.drake at uzh.ch
> >>>               <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
> >>>               <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:
> william.drake at uzh.ch>>
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