[PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
William Drake
wjdrake
Sat Apr 19 16:24:54 EEST 2014
Tony Holmes wrote me to saying we need a house pow wow to improve working methods, might be worth proposing a meeting in London?
Best
Bill
On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> +1. Unclear whether our little HLMC committee has some function next week, but they would be the priority. Not clear why policy cttee needs to cluster on this, i for one have no real contribution to make. This process is still pretty odd to me.
> And congrats again to Avri for beating the odds!!
> stephanie
> On Apr 19, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
>> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
>>
>> What do we hope to achieve? If it is just presenting them with the
>> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
>> bit before any confcall. Let Sam and others try and convince them that
>> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
>> accept. That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
>> friendly. If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
>> way on things, he can be on the Board.
>>
>> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward: I may not have won,
>> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_. Theoretically what should be the
>> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
>> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
>> NOTA. But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
>> vs. NOTA.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>>> about the compromise there.
>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>> observations about the CSG reactions.
>>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>
>>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>> credit/bank account card fraud!
>>>
>>> Magaly
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Maria,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the summary,
>>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>> and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>> deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>> initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>> we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>> results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>> easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>> quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>> soon).
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>
>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>> thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>> an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>> candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>> compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>> (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>> and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>> Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>> we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>>>
>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>> just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>> NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of voting.
>>>
>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>> on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>> NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>
>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>> or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>> across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.
>>>
>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>> step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>> basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>> shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>> agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>
>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>
>>> Maria
>>>
>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>> election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>> secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>> through. Tant pis!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>> agreed to, I
>>> appreciate you giving me the chance. And I appreciate
>>> the fact that all
>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>> majority vote.
>>>
>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>
>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>> sole candidate
>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>
>>> That is what I think we agreed to. And I am pretty sure
>>> the record
>>> shows that.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>
>>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>> This third round
>>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>> NCSG though its
>>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>> candidate. Just in
>>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>> we had agreed that
>>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>> happened, Sam would be
>>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>> despite that, in order
>>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>> good faith, we (
>>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>> happen. Now, that it
>>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>> fair thing to do
>>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>> disappointment that
>>>> many can feel.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>
>>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>> <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>> the committee
>>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>> mail. We go for the
>>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>> Sam Lanfranco as
>>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>> <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>> <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org> <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>> <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>> what happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>> the deadlock we
>>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>> candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>> soonest in order to
>>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>> round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>> policy meeting in
>>>>>>> Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>> <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>> <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is really great! Way to go Avri!
>>> Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>> vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>> have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>> <Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>> results second round
>>>>>>>>>> To: "krosette at cov.com
>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please find the results of the second
>>> round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>> closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>> Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 7 votes Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>> 6 votes Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>> 0 vote None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>> We await your instructions to continue
>>> with the third
>>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>> April 2014 and
>>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC. Please provide
>>> us with the text
>>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>> be sent with the
>>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>> Glen____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>>>> **Total Ballots Cast (including
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>>>>>>>>>> *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Select just one of the
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