[PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round

Avri Doria avri
Sat Apr 19 16:10:01 EEST 2014


Hi,

Well, as a compromise candidate, perhaps we should suggest that we talk
to Sam together as a house.

avri



On 19-Apr-14 07:29, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to be on this call if it takes place, but recommend that it
> be postponed (even for a few days) if it won?t be populated well because
> of NM conflicts.
> 
> In terms of what we should discuss; we should certainly present Sam as a
> compromise candidate as an item to be followed up on. I?m sure the CSG
> will want to talk to him, like they did Avri as well as David when we
> proposed him as a GNSO Council VC.
> 
> We should also start discussions with them on the broken voting
> mechanism. We need a serious discussion with them on this, and figure
> out ways to remedy it. If the discussion starts well on a call, it can
> be followed up on the NCPH list afterwards.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Amr
> 
> On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
>> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
>>
>> What do we hope to achieve?  If it is just presenting them with the
>> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
>> bit before any confcall.  Let Sam and others try and convince them that
>> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
>> accept.  That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
>> friendly.  If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
>> way on things, he can be on the Board.
>>
>> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward:  I may not have won,
>> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_.  Theoretically what should be the
>> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
>> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
>> NOTA.  But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
>> vs. NOTA.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>>> about the compromise there.
>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik 
>>>
>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>>    Hi!
>>>    It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>    observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>    Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>
>>>    For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>    airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>>    credit/bank account card fraud!
>>>
>>>    Magaly
>>>
>>>
>>>    On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>    <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>        Hi Maria,
>>>
>>>        Thanks for the summary,
>>>        it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>>        and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>>        deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>>        yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>>        initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>>        we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>        I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>>        results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>>        easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>>        quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>>        soon). 
>>>
>>>        Best Regards,
>>>
>>>        Rafik 
>>>
>>>
>>>        2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell
>>> <maria.farrell at gmail.com <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>
>>>        <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>>            Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>
>>>            Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>>            thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>>            an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>>            candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>>            compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>            (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>>            and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>>            Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>>            we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>>>
>>>            So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>>            just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>>            NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of
>>> voting.
>>>
>>>            Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>>            on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>>            NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>
>>>            From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>>            or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>>            across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy. 
>>>
>>>            Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>>            step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>>            basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>>            shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>>            agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>
>>>            How does that sound as a next step?
>>>
>>>            Maria
>>>
>>>            p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>>            election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>>            secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>>            through. Tant pis!
>>>
>>>
>>>            On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>            <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                Hi,
>>>
>>>                While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>>                agreed to, I
>>>                appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate
>>>                the fact that all
>>>                of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>>                majority vote.
>>>
>>>                And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>
>>>                Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>>                sole candidate
>>>                in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>
>>>                That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure
>>>                the record
>>>                shows that.
>>>
>>>                avri
>>>
>>>                On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>
>>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>>                 This third round
>>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>>                NCSG though its
>>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>>                candidate. Just in
>>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>>                we had agreed that
>>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>>                happened, Sam would be
>>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>>                despite that, in order
>>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>>                good faith, we (
>>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>>                happen. Now, that it
>>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>>                fair thing to do
>>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>                disappointment that
>>>> many can feel.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>
>>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>>                <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>>                the committee
>>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>>                mail. We go for the
>>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>>                Sam Lanfranco as
>>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>>                <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
>>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>                <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
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>>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/> <http://www.npoc.org
>>>>> <http://www.npoc.org/>> <http://www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>>                <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>>                volgende geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>>                what happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>>                the deadlock we
>>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>>                candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>>                 soonest in order to
>>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>>                round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>>                policy meeting in
>>>>>>>   Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>>                <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>   <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>>                <robin at ipjustice.org
>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>>       <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>                <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       This is really great!  Way to go Avri!
>>>                 Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>>       Robin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>>                vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Nice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>       <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>>                have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>       From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>>                <Glen at icann.org
>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>       Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>>                results second round
>>>>>>>>>>       To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>"
>>>>>>>>>>       <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
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>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>                <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
>>>>>>>>>>       "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
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>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
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>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>       <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>                <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Please find the results of the second
>>>                round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>>       closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>>       Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>         6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>         0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>       We await your instructions to continue
>>>                with the third
>>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>>                April 2014 and
>>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide
>>>                us with the text
>>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>>                be sent with the
>>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>       Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>>       Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>>       __ __
>>>>>>>>>>       Glen____
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       *Machine tally:
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>>>>>>>>>>       *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
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>>>>>>>>>>                       Select just one of the
>>>                nominees below____
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>       <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>                <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> (lists),
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>>>                <http://www.williamdrake.org
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