[PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round
Amr Elsadr
aelsadr
Sun Apr 20 17:50:06 EEST 2014
That would be even better. :)
Thanks.
Amr
On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well, as a compromise candidate, perhaps we should suggest that we talk
> to Sam together as a house.
>
> avri
>
>
>
> On 19-Apr-14 07:29, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to be on this call if it takes place, but recommend that it
>> be postponed (even for a few days) if it won?t be populated well because
>> of NM conflicts.
>>
>> In terms of what we should discuss; we should certainly present Sam as a
>> compromise candidate as an item to be followed up on. I?m sure the CSG
>> will want to talk to him, like they did Avri as well as David when we
>> proposed him as a GNSO Council VC.
>>
>> We should also start discussions with them on the broken voting
>> mechanism. We need a serious discussion with them on this, and figure
>> out ways to remedy it. If the discussion starts well on a call, it can
>> be followed up on the NCPH list afterwards.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Amr
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am fine with a confcall as long as it does not interfere with any of
>>> the NetMundial or other activities of next week.
>>>
>>> What do we hope to achieve? If it is just presenting them with the
>>> compromise, I suggest you just do that, and let them chew on it for a
>>> bit before any confcall. Let Sam and others try and convince them that
>>> he is middle of the road enough and business friendly enough for them to
>>> accept. That is their issue, they insist on someone who is business
>>> friendly. If Sam can prove he is business friendly and will vote their
>>> way on things, he can be on the Board.
>>>
>>> The one thing I want to make sure we put forward: I may not have won,
>>> but Bill G. lost, twice, and is _out_. Theoretically what should be the
>>> process for whatever number of candidates, if that a candidate that
>>> loses is dropped out, and the remaining, even if just one, runs against
>>> NOTA. But I support our continuing with our compromise proposal of Sam
>>> vs. NOTA.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>> On 19-Apr-14 05:14, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial,
>>>> it may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have
>>>> such call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know
>>>> about the compromise there.
>>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result , checking
>>>> with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:magaly.pazello at gmail.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>> observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>>
>>>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of
>>>> credit/bank account card fraud!
>>>>
>>>> Magaly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the summary,
>>>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise
>>>> and having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach
>>>> deadlock is at 3rd and final round .
>>>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>>> initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes
>>>> we cannot predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the
>>>> results that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is
>>>> easter holidays this weekend and probably won't get answer
>>>> quickly ( in addition to those who are travelling to Sao Paulo
>>>> soon).
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell
>>>> <maria.farrell at gmail.com <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the
>>>> thing go to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e.
>>>> an election clearly wasn't going to yield a winning
>>>> candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to the CSG as a
>>>> compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>> (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate,
>>>> and we hope the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put
>>>> Sam up against BIll in a vote, but rather in the discussions
>>>> we anticipated might ensue after the vote proved inconclusive.
>>>>
>>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment
>>>> just yet - apart from the obvious disappointment that the
>>>> NCSG's candidate didn't win outright in three rounds of
>>>> voting.
>>>>
>>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG
>>>> on a compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the
>>>> NCPH, and we all stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>>
>>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose
>>>> or how they will react, so we will have to work very closely
>>>> across the NCSG to make sure we're all happy.
>>>>
>>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next
>>>> step. I think we should write to the NCPH list and say
>>>> basically 'there's no clear outcome in the election, so
>>>> shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and if/when they
>>>> agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>>
>>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>>
>>>> Maria
>>>>
>>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the
>>>> election on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you
>>>> secured the NCA vote, and a shame the ISPs didn't come
>>>> through. Tant pis!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was
>>>> agreed to, I
>>>> appreciate you giving me the chance. And I appreciate
>>>> the fact that all
>>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the
>>>> majority vote.
>>>>
>>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>>
>>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a
>>>> sole candidate
>>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>>
>>>> That is what I think we agreed to. And I am pretty sure
>>>> the record
>>>> shows that.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>> Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>>
>>>>> The results of the third round were just released.
>>>> This third round
>>>>> ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore,
>>>> NCSG though its
>>>>> leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise
>>>> candidate. Just in
>>>>> fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore
>>>> we had agreed that
>>>>> we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock
>>>> happened, Sam would be
>>>>> proposed as a candidate for the third round. But
>>>> despite that, in order
>>>>> to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of
>>>> good faith, we (
>>>>> NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to
>>>> happen. Now, that it
>>>>> has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the
>>>> fair thing to do
>>>>> is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>> disappointment that
>>>>> many can feel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick
>>>> <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>
>>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>>> escribi?:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with
>>>> the committee
>>>>>> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s
>>>> mail. We go for the
>>>>>> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with
>>>> Sam Lanfranco as
>>>>>> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria
>>>> <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org> <mailto:avri at acm.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>> het
>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see
>>>> what happens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in
>>>> the deadlock we
>>>>>>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise
>>>> candidate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting
>>>> soonest in order to
>>>>>>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next
>>>> round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG
>>>> policy meeting in
>>>>>>>> Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake
>>>> <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross
>>>> <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org
>>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is really great! Way to go Avri!
>>>> Keep it up, team!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA
>>>> vote this round!! :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The result of 2nd round, we are going to
>>>> have a 3rd round.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Glen de Saint G?ry"
>>>> <Glen at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election -
>>>> results second round
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com> <mailto:krosette at cov.com
>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>
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>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>>,
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>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
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>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please find the results of the second
>>>> round of voting which
>>>>>>>>>>> closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>>> Final tally :____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 7 votes Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>> 6 votes Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>> 0 vote None of the above____
>>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>>> We await your instructions to continue
>>>> with the third
>>>>>>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14
>>>> April 2014 and
>>>>>>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC. Please provide
>>>> us with the text
>>>>>>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to
>>>> be sent with the
>>>>>>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.____
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>>>>> __ __
>>>>>>>>>>> Glen____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *__ __*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>>>>> **Total Ballots Cast (including
>>>> duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>>>>> *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>>>>> *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Ballot with added tally (using weights,
>>>> if any):*____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Select just one of the
>>>> nominees below____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1: 7 votes [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2: 6 votes [] Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3: 0 votes [] None of the above____
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