[PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed edits
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Mary.Wong
Mon Jan 14 23:24:52 EET 2013
Hi and thanks to all involved. As a member of the NCSG PC I'm happy to
have us endorse this as an NCSG statement.
Cheers
Mary
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Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
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Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at EGYPTIG.ORG>
Date:
1/14/2013 2:00 PM
Subject:
Re: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some
proposed edits
Thanks very much, Wendy. Given the deadline, I'd suggest any comments
or suggested edits be made to this NCSG-PC list by the end of business
today so the stmt can be posted in time.
Thanks again,
Robin
On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
On 01/14/2013 01:33 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
Thanks, Amr. FYI: It is the NCSG Policy Committee, which decides to
endorse statements on behalf of NCSG. It would be great if the NCSG-PC
could agree to endorse this statement before the deadline (or suggest
any changes to it).
I support this statement. Thanks Amr, Kathy, and Roy for your work.
--Wendy
Thanks again!
Robin
On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
Thanks Kathy and Roy. If there are any more comments that members
would like included, please post them today. The next Thick Whois WG
call is scheduled for tomorrow at 15:00 UTC (right before the NCSG
Policy meeting). We will need to submit our response to the WG prior
to this call.
It would also be great if NPOC could endorse the response, making it a
response by NCSG instead of NCUC. As far as I know, NPOC has not
submitted anything so far.
Thanks.
Amr
On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote:
Hello!
Kathy was kind enough to unify all responses so far, I have (with her
consent) unified mine with all others.
Please find attached.
Roy Balleste, J.S.D.
Professor of Law
Law Library Director
St. Thomas University
16401 NW 37th Avenue
Miami Gardens, FL 33054 USA
1-305-623-2341
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Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed
edits
Hi All,
Great thanks to Amr for the first draft of comments to the Thick
Whois PDP Working Group. As you know, the question on the table is
whether a ?thick Whois model? ? one in which all Whois data is held
and made available by the Registry (e.g., Verisign) and not the
Registrar ? should be the model for all existing and all new gTLDs.
For .COM, it's a huge issue. It is a ?thin? registry, and 100
million+ Whois records are stored by the registrar pursuant to local
laws (including local privacy and free speech laws). Whether we can
convert these 100 million+ records to a single database ? and whether
we want to ? are questions for this group.
Further, the issue of ?Whois? data, service and protocol are all up
in the air. If someday we reach agreement that this very personal
data ? that can expose individuals and organizations to threat for
what they say and share online (including political, religious and
ethnic minority views and dissent, including non-commercial activity)
? should be private, then a single centralized Registry Whois
database creates a single point of access. That means that should
Registries be cozy with their local governments, all of this data may
be relinquished without due process, or even subject to criminal laws
that are non-standard in the world (e.g., Syria, N.Korea, China).
The fact is that registrants know their registrars and it is to their
registrars that the Whois information is provided. Most registrants
will think they are protected under those rules. Despite the fact
that New gTLDs (for this round, at least) require a centralized Whois
? with the Registry ? I remain deeply concerned about the
consolidation of the massive .COM Whois (if it's even legal ? see
below) and the standard set for all future registries and TLDs ?
regardless of their political, social, or religious uses.
If NPOC shares these concerns, I urge you to sign on ? with thanks!
Best, Kathy Kleiman (veteran of far too many Whois task forces and
review teams...)
p.s. All of Amr's comments kept, and I added on and filled in some
sections...
<Edits to Thick Whois PDP WG Initial Comments.2.doc>
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