[PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed edits

Mon Jan 14 20:59:49 EET 2013

Thanks very much, Wendy.  Given the deadline, I'd suggest any  
comments or suggested edits be made to this NCSG-PC list by the end  
of business today so the stmt can be posted in time.

Thanks again,
Robin

On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:

> On 01/14/2013 01:33 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>> Thanks, Amr.  FYI: It is the NCSG Policy Committee, which decides to
>> endorse statements on behalf of NCSG.  It would be great if the  
>> NCSG-PC
>> could agree to endorse this statement before the deadline (or suggest
>> any changes to it).
>
> I support this statement.  Thanks Amr, Kathy, and Roy for your work.
>
> --Wendy
>
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Kathy and Roy. If there are any more comments that members
>>> would like included, please post them today. The next Thick Whois WG
>>> call is scheduled for tomorrow at 15:00 UTC (right before the NCSG
>>> Policy meeting). We will need to submit our response to the WG prior
>>> to this call.
>>>
>>> It would also be great if NPOC could endorse the response, making  
>>> it a
>>> response by NCSG instead of NCUC. As far as I know, NPOC has not
>>> submitted anything so far.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Amr
>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> Kathy was kind enough to unify all responses so far, I have  
>>>> (with her
>>>> consent) unified mine with all others.
>>>> Please find attached.
>>>>
>>>> Roy Balleste, J.S.D.
>>>> Professor of Law
>>>> Law Library Director
>>>> St. Thomas University
>>>> 16401 NW 37th Avenue
>>>> Miami Gardens, FL 33054  USA
>>>> 1-305-623-2341
>>>>
>>>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf
>>>> Of Kathy Kleiman
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:05 PM
>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some  
>>>> proposed
>>>> edits
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> Great thanks to Amr for the first draft of comments to the Thick
>>>> Whois PDP Working Group. As you know, the question on the table is
>>>> whether a ?thick Whois model? ? one in which all Whois data is held
>>>> and made available by the Registry (e.g., Verisign) and not the
>>>> Registrar ? should be the model for all existing and all new gTLDs.
>>>> For .COM, it's a huge issue. It is a ?thin? registry, and 100
>>>> million+ Whois records are stored by the registrar pursuant to  
>>>> local
>>>> laws (including local privacy and free speech laws). Whether we can
>>>> convert these 100 million+ records to a single database ? and  
>>>> whether
>>>> we want to ? are questions for this group.
>>>> Further, the issue of ?Whois? data, service and protocol are all up
>>>> in the air. If someday we reach agreement that this very personal
>>>> data ? that can expose individuals and organizations to threat for
>>>> what they say and share online (including political, religious and
>>>> ethnic minority views and dissent, including non-commercial  
>>>> activity)
>>>> ? should be private, then a single centralized Registry Whois
>>>> database creates a single point of access. That means that should
>>>> Registries be cozy with their local governments, all of this  
>>>> data may
>>>> be relinquished without due process, or even subject to criminal  
>>>> laws
>>>> that are non-standard in the world (e.g., Syria, N.Korea, China).
>>>> The fact is that registrants know their registrars and it is to  
>>>> their
>>>> registrars that the Whois information is provided. Most registrants
>>>> will think they are protected under those rules. Despite the fact
>>>> that New gTLDs (for this round, at least) require a centralized  
>>>> Whois
>>>> ? with the Registry ? I remain deeply concerned about the
>>>> consolidation of the massive .COM Whois (if it's even legal ? see
>>>> below) and the standard set for all future registries and TLDs ?
>>>> regardless of their political, social, or religious uses.
>>>>
>>>> If NPOC shares these concerns, I urge you to sign on ? with thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Best,  Kathy Kleiman (veteran of far too many Whois task forces and
>>>> review teams...)
>>>> p.s. All of Amr's comments kept, and I added on and filled in some
>>>> sections...
>>>> <Edits to Thick Whois PDP WG Initial Comments.2.doc>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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