[PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed edits

Avri Doria avri
Tue Jan 15 01:18:34 EET 2013


I support it though it needs an edit - the voice needs to be made consistent.

- Sometime it is a NCUC stmt 
- and sometimes it is an NCSG stmt.

It needs to be written as one.

If this gets NCSG approval great.
otherwise it should go as NCUC - which is what the WG was asking for.



avri

On 14 Jan 2013, at 16:24, <Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu> wrote:

> Hi and thanks to all involved. As a member of the NCSG PC I'm happy to have us endorse this as an NCSG statement.
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> Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> To:
> "NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>" <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
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> Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at EGYPTIG.ORG>
> Date:
> 1/14/2013 2:00 PM
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> Re: [PC-NCSG] [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed edits
> Thanks very much, Wendy.  Given the deadline, I'd suggest any comments or suggested edits be made to this NCSG-PC list by the end of business today so the stmt can be posted in time.
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> Thanks again,
> Robin
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> On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
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>> On 01/14/2013 01:33 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>> Thanks, Amr.  FYI: It is the NCSG Policy Committee, which decides to
>>> endorse statements on behalf of NCSG.  It would be great if the NCSG-PC
>>> could agree to endorse this statement before the deadline (or suggest
>>> any changes to it).
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>> I support this statement.  Thanks Amr, Kathy, and Roy for your work.
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>> --Wendy
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>>> Thanks again!
>>> Robin
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>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
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>>>> Thanks Kathy and Roy. If there are any more comments that members
>>>> would like included, please post them today. The next Thick Whois WG
>>>> call is scheduled for tomorrow at 15:00 UTC (right before the NCSG
>>>> Policy meeting). We will need to submit our response to the WG prior
>>>> to this call.
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>>>> It would also be great if NPOC could endorse the response, making it a
>>>> response by NCSG instead of NCUC. As far as I know, NPOC has not
>>>> submitted anything so far.
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>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Amr
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>>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote:
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>>>>> Hello!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kathy was kind enough to unify all responses so far, I have (with her
>>>>> consent) unified mine with all others.
>>>>> Please find attached.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roy Balleste, J.S.D.
>>>>> Professor of Law
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>>>>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Kathy Kleiman
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:05 PM
>>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Thick Whois WG Comments - with some proposed
>>>>> edits
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> Great thanks to Amr for the first draft of comments to the Thick
>>>>> Whois PDP Working Group. As you know, the question on the table is
>>>>> whether a ?thick Whois model? ? one in which all Whois data is held
>>>>> and made available by the Registry (e.g., Verisign) and not the
>>>>> Registrar ? should be the model for all existing and all new gTLDs.
>>>>> For .COM, it's a huge issue. It is a ?thin? registry, and 100
>>>>> million+ Whois records are stored by the registrar pursuant to local
>>>>> laws (including local privacy and free speech laws). Whether we can
>>>>> convert these 100 million+ records to a single database ? and whether
>>>>> we want to ? are questions for this group.
>>>>> Further, the issue of ?Whois? data, service and protocol are all up
>>>>> in the air. If someday we reach agreement that this very personal
>>>>> data ? that can expose individuals and organizations to threat for
>>>>> what they say and share online (including political, religious and
>>>>> ethnic minority views and dissent, including non-commercial activity)
>>>>> ? should be private, then a single centralized Registry Whois
>>>>> database creates a single point of access. That means that should
>>>>> Registries be cozy with their local governments, all of this data may
>>>>> be relinquished without due process, or even subject to criminal laws
>>>>> that are non-standard in the world (e.g., Syria, N.Korea, China).
>>>>> The fact is that registrants know their registrars and it is to their
>>>>> registrars that the Whois information is provided. Most registrants
>>>>> will think they are protected under those rules. Despite the fact
>>>>> that New gTLDs (for this round, at least) require a centralized Whois
>>>>> ? with the Registry ? I remain deeply concerned about the
>>>>> consolidation of the massive .COM Whois (if it's even legal ? see
>>>>> below) and the standard set for all future registries and TLDs ?
>>>>> regardless of their political, social, or religious uses.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If NPOC shares these concerns, I urge you to sign on ? with thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,  Kathy Kleiman (veteran of far too many Whois task forces and
>>>>> review teams...)
>>>>> p.s. All of Amr's comments kept, and I added on and filled in some
>>>>> sections...
>>>>> <Edits to Thick Whois PDP WG Initial Comments.2.doc>
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