[NCSG-FC] ICANN64 Meeting plenary

Tue Mar 5 02:53:43 EET 2019

Hi Remmy,

I think your reading is not accurate. What you are quoting indicates:
- that FC will work with staff regard level of support, that means ABRs ,
core budget that cover travel support, admin support/staff etc and any
other funding that may come from other ICANN departments.
- that NCSG will follow financial requirements if there are, which is not
the case here. ICANN as org or board didn't set any guidelines or
requirements for SG/C regarding finance. So ICANN Finance has nothing to do
with NCSG Finance.

I only see discussion about ABRs as relevant but that process already
passed.

Best,

Rafik

Le mar. 5 mars 2019 à 03:41, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Dear Rafik
> Thanks for raising some of the issues which I think Thato has tried to
> respond to same which seems unsatisfactory in your response, which I do not
> entirely think is correct.
> I will like, therefore, to ask, in which area of ICANN.org does FC mandate
> falls because looking at the charter 2.6 you will see among others that FC
> has to:
> "• Work with the ICANN staff to determine levels of support available to
> the NCSG;
>
>  "• Work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its
> Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN; etc
>
>  "• Accounting for any funds received by the NCSG from any source. " etc.
>
> Also in order to:
>
> "•Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
> within the ICANN structure.
>
>
> Does aforementioned not suggest the need to interface with ICANN Finance?
>
>
> Thanks
>
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> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:28 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> ICANN Finance team primary role and goal is ICANN own finance through
>> budget, operating plan, reserve etc.
>> ABRs are as its name says additional budget requests to what already in
>> the budget for supporting community work.
>> no, I don't see any other role for finance team. I can understand
>> engagement related to ICANN budget operating plan for FY20 as that impact
>> gTLD PDPs (which our main focus and that is why we are involved) and ABRs
>> but not about NCSG finance.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> Le sam. 23 févr. 2019 à 08:14, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Does ICANN finance also have nothing to do with the other 3 reasons as
>>> listed? If so, what other role do you think ICANN finance can play to
>>> support communities besides ABRs and budgets?
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:46 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am not expecting ICANN to manage our bank account but provide advice
>>>>> on how this can be best managed and remmber that the FC activities must
>>>>> adhere to ICANN bylaws, so if there are deviations, we need to be made
>>>>> aware of such or ensure adherence.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sorry that is not ICANN Finance team role or remit. ICANN Bylaws says
>>>> nothing about SG/C finance or expectations.
>>>>
>>>> I think my point is clear, ICANN org and Finance team in particular has
>>>> nothing to do with how NCSG manages its finance. Accountability is ensured
>>>> by NCSG membership first.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 5:10 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN Finance doesn't get involved on SG/C finance and refuse to
>>>>>> manage bank accounts (in particular for those collecting membership fees)
>>>>>> on their behalf for liability reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when ICANN give any in-kind or financial support, it already control
>>>>>> the whole process i.e. procurement, hiring external resources, travel
>>>>>> arrangement etc. In other cases like for membership system, it ask SG/C to
>>>>>> pay first then it reimburse. As organization, it mitigates risks and
>>>>>> doesn't let community to be involved on the process other making request
>>>>>> through ABRs etc. it is the same for PDP WGs ( I am aware of as I am
>>>>>> involved for EPDP)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN Finance team looks usually to discuss about ICANN budget and
>>>>>> operating plan not about internal finance of SG/C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le ven. 22 févr. 2019 à 10:34, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a
>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry Stephanie to come in here.
>>>>>>> Others may choose to ignore it but I think there is a role based on
>>>>>>> our NCSG charter guidelines especially on report back on how money or funds
>>>>>>> given to stakeholders group or received from all sources are expended.
>>>>>>> In financial management it's usually a precondition for another
>>>>>>> round of support which I think ICANN.org is not strict about otherwise they
>>>>>>> should be making the demands.
>>>>>>> May be because there are individual reports very often and I know
>>>>>>> Maryam team emphasis on this too as precondition.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 1:01 a.m. Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you inquired of other Stakeholder Groups, how they handle
>>>>>>>> their finances?  What role does ICANN play?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would suspect none.  It is not their place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>>> On 2019-02-21 18:47, Remmy Nweke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Thato
>>>>>>>> It should have been very helpful If I was to be there to assist in
>>>>>>>> some physically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, there will be need for online participation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is need also to have an ICANN staff preferably from Finance
>>>>>>>> speak to some of the issues, especially in responsibility and expectations
>>>>>>>> from an FC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Equally a few minutes remarks by NCSG chair will not be out of
>>>>>>>> place as well as Cs chair. May be NCSG 3minutes, C chairs 2minutes each.
>>>>>>>> They will still speak to issues as intervention arises.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>> Remmy
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 4:48 PM Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *1. This is final call for iput on the ICANN64 FC meeting agenda
>>>>>>>>> (90 minutes), please make your input so that I can circulate in the mailing
>>>>>>>>> list by Monday 25 February for community input.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proposed Agenda
>>>>>>>>> a. Introduction and background on the Finance Committee (5 min)
>>>>>>>>> Justification: This will ensure participants are on the same page
>>>>>>>>> and with the same understanding as the meeting progresses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> b. Overview of the NCSG Charter and the Draft FC OP (10 min)
>>>>>>>>> Justification: Review of the Charter and OP contention areas
>>>>>>>>> (responsibilities, the accounting, auditing and providing  oversight
>>>>>>>>> function, bank account and incopropration implications or use of
>>>>>>>>> constituency bank accounts (SPV), how the FC works with constituencies and
>>>>>>>>> financial reporting )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c. Q & A (10 min)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> d. Harmonising of the OP with the NCSG Charter based on the
>>>>>>>>> overview (10 min)
>>>>>>>>> Justification: Obtaining community input and building synergy
>>>>>>>>> between the NCSG Charter and FC OP
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> e. Open floor and inputs (15 min)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> f. NCSG priorities, needs and wants - planning forward (5 min)
>>>>>>>>> Justification: Collection of ideas from members regarding their
>>>>>>>>> priorities, needs and wants
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> g. Open floor (15 min)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> h.Fundraising and levelraging on ICANN finances - initiating a
>>>>>>>>> fundraising plan (5 min)
>>>>>>>>> Justification: Exploring different avenue for fundraising for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i. Open floor and Q & A (10 min)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> j. Call for volunteers for different focus areas and closure -
>>>>>>>>> building internal capacity (5 min)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *2. Should the be an oversight somewhere, please make
>>>>>>>>> recommendation. *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *3. Please also make input in terms of resource people who will be
>>>>>>>>> needed to ease proceedings of this meeting and can also provide answers. I
>>>>>>>>> still maintain that we need ICANN finance, so that we are able to discuss
>>>>>>>>> ways on how the FC can leverage on ICANN finances and improve on the ABR
>>>>>>>>> submission process.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>
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