<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Remmy,</div><div><br></div><div>I think your reading is not accurate. What you are quoting indicates:</div><div>- that FC will work with staff regard level of support, that means ABRs , core budget that cover travel support, admin support/staff etc and any other funding that may come from other ICANN departments.</div><div>- that NCSG will follow financial requirements if there are, which is not the case here. ICANN as org or board didn't set any guidelines or requirements for SG/C regarding finance. So ICANN Finance has nothing to do with NCSG Finance.</div><div><br></div>I only see discussion about ABRs as relevant but that process already passed.<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 5 mars 2019 à 03:41, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Dear Rafik</font><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Thanks for raising some of the issues which I think Thato has tried to respond to same which seems unsatisfactory in your response, which I do not entirely think is correct.</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">I will like, therefore, to ask, in which area of ICANN.org does FC mandate falls because looking at the charter 2.6 you will see among others that FC has to:</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">"•<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"> </span>Work with
the ICANN staff to determine levels of support available to the NCSG;</font><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in"></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.7pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"> "<span style="line-height:89%">•<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"> </span></span><span style="line-height:89%">Work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its
Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN; etc</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 46pt 0.0001pt 0.5in;line-height:89%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="line-height:89%"></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:14pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"> <span style="line-height:89%">"•<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"> </span></span><span style="line-height:89%">Accounting for any funds received by the NCSG from any source. " etc.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 22pt 0.0001pt 0.5in;line-height:93%"><span style="line-height:93%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Also in order to:</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 22pt 0.0001pt 0.5in;line-height:93%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="line-height:93%">"•</span><span style="line-height:93%">Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
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the ICANN structure.</span><span style="line-height:93%"></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 22pt 0.0001pt 0.5in;line-height:93%"><span style="line-height:93%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0.5in 0.0001pt 22pt;line-height:93%"><span style="line-height:93%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Does aforementioned not suggest the need to interface with ICANN Finance?</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0.5in 0.0001pt 22pt;line-height:93%"><span style="line-height:93%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0.5in 0.0001pt 22pt;line-height:93%"><span style="line-height:93%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Thanks</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 20pt 0.0001pt 0.5in;line-height:89%"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="line-height:89%"></span></font></p><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_1256736141710747961gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">____</font><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, </font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Lead Consulting Strategist/Group Executive Editor, <br><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)">DigitalSENSE Africa Media</span> <span>[<i>Multiple-award winning medium</i>]<br></span>(<a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews" target="_blank">DigitalSENSE Business News</a>; <a href="http://www.itrealms.com.ng" target="_blank">ITREALMS</a>, <a href="http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng" target="_blank">NaijaAgroNet</a>)</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos<br>M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms" target="_blank">@ITRealms<br></a></font><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Author: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E" target="_blank">A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria</a></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><font color="#ff0000">2019 <a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng" target="_blank">Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable</a></font></b> </font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">JOIN us!!</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">*Vice President, <a href="http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/" target="_blank">African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS</a>)</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" target="_blank"><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)</font></b></a></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">_________________________________________________________________<br>*Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. 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I can understand engagement related to ICANN budget operating plan for FY20 as that impact gTLD PDPs (which our main focus and that is why we are involved) and ABRs but not about NCSG finance.</font><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Best,</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Rafik<br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Le sam. 23 févr. 2019 à 08:14, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Does ICANN finance also have nothing to do with the other 3 reasons as listed? If so, what other role do you think ICANN finance can play to support communities besides ABRs and budgets?</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Thato Mfikwe.<br></font></div></div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:46 AM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"> </font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">I am not expecting ICANN to manage our bank account but provide advice on how this can be best managed and remmber that the FC activities must adhere to ICANN bylaws, so if there are deviations, we need to be made aware of such or ensure adherence.</font></div></div></blockquote><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">sorry that is not ICANN Finance team role or remit. ICANN Bylaws says nothing about SG/C finance or expectations.</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">I think my point is clear, ICANN org and Finance team in particular has nothing to do with how NCSG manages its finance. Accountability is ensured by NCSG membership first.</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Best,</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Rafik</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"> </font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 5:10 AM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Hi.</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">ICANN Finance doesn't get involved on SG/C finance and refuse to manage bank accounts (in particular for those collecting membership fees) on their behalf for liability reasons.</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">when ICANN give any in-kind or financial support, it already control the whole process i.e. procurement, hiring external resources, travel arrangement etc. In other cases like for membership system, it ask SG/C to pay first then it reimburse. As organization, it mitigates risks and doesn't let community to be involved on the process other making request through ABRs etc. it is the same for PDP WGs ( I am aware of as I am involved for EPDP)</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">ICANN Finance team looks usually to discuss about ICANN budget and operating plan not about internal finance of SG/C.</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Best,</font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Rafik </font></div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Le ven. 22 févr. 2019 à 10:34, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Sorry Stephanie to come in here.</font><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Others may choose to ignore it but I think there is a role based on our NCSG charter guidelines especially on report back on how money or funds given to stakeholders group or received from all sources are expended.</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">In financial management it's usually a precondition for another round of support which I think ICANN.org is not strict about otherwise they should be making the demands.</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">May be because there are individual reports very often and I know Maryam team emphasis on this too as precondition.</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Regards</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Remmy</font></div></div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 1:01 a.m. Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a> wrote:<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>3. Please also make input in terms of resource people who will be needed to ease proceedings of this meeting and can also provide answers. I still maintain that we need ICANN finance, so that we are able to discuss ways on how the FC can leverage on
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