[NCSG-FC] ICANN64 Meeting plenary

Tue Mar 5 11:13:28 EET 2019

Thanks Rafik, for the response and explanation given by you.

If there were no basis for interfacing ICANN Finance, for instance, why was
it inserted in the first instance in a charter?

I would love to also hear from ICANN Finance and possibly ICANN counsel on
or before ICANN65 since its too late now on the literary interpretation of
those mandates, so we can move forward without much ado.

Until such a time when we revisit the charter for amendment, which I think
is over due after 8 years of inactive and attendant misconception and
misunderstanding.

Therefore, FC deserves every support at all levels to kick start this
processes among others.
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On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:54 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Remmy,
>
> I think your reading is not accurate. What you are quoting indicates:
> - that FC will work with staff regard level of support, that means ABRs ,
> core budget that cover travel support, admin support/staff etc and any
> other funding that may come from other ICANN departments.
> - that NCSG will follow financial requirements if there are, which is not
> the case here. ICANN as org or board didn't set any guidelines or
> requirements for SG/C regarding finance. So ICANN Finance has nothing to do
> with NCSG Finance.
>
> I only see discussion about ABRs as relevant but that process already
> passed.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mar. 5 mars 2019 à 03:41, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Dear Rafik
>> Thanks for raising some of the issues which I think Thato has tried to
>> respond to same which seems unsatisfactory in your response, which I do not
>> entirely think is correct.
>> I will like, therefore, to ask, in which area of ICANN.org does FC
>> mandate falls because looking at the charter 2.6 you will see among others
>> that FC has to:
>> "• Work with the ICANN staff to determine levels of support available to
>> the NCSG;
>>
>>  "• Work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its
>> Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN; etc
>>
>>  "• Accounting for any funds received by the NCSG from any source. " etc.
>>
>> Also in order to:
>>
>> "•Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
>> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
>> within the ICANN structure.
>>
>>
>> Does aforementioned not suggest the need to interface with ICANN Finance?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:28 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> ICANN Finance team primary role and goal is ICANN own finance through
>>> budget, operating plan, reserve etc.
>>> ABRs are as its name says additional budget requests to what already in
>>> the budget for supporting community work.
>>> no, I don't see any other role for finance team. I can understand
>>> engagement related to ICANN budget operating plan for FY20 as that impact
>>> gTLD PDPs (which our main focus and that is why we are involved) and ABRs
>>> but not about NCSG finance.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>> Le sam. 23 févr. 2019 à 08:14, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> Does ICANN finance also have nothing to do with the other 3 reasons as
>>>> listed? If so, what other role do you think ICANN finance can play to
>>>> support communities besides ABRs and budgets?
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:46 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not expecting ICANN to manage our bank account but provide
>>>>>> advice on how this can be best managed and remmber that the FC activities
>>>>>> must adhere to ICANN bylaws, so if there are deviations, we need to be made
>>>>>> aware of such or ensure adherence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sorry that is not ICANN Finance team role or remit. ICANN Bylaws says
>>>>> nothing about SG/C finance or expectations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think my point is clear, ICANN org and Finance team in particular
>>>>> has nothing to do with how NCSG manages its finance. Accountability is
>>>>> ensured by NCSG membership first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 5:10 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN Finance doesn't get involved on SG/C finance and refuse to
>>>>>>> manage bank accounts (in particular for those collecting membership fees)
>>>>>>> on their behalf for liability reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when ICANN give any in-kind or financial support, it already control
>>>>>>> the whole process i.e. procurement, hiring external resources, travel
>>>>>>> arrangement etc. In other cases like for membership system, it ask SG/C to
>>>>>>> pay first then it reimburse. As organization, it mitigates risks and
>>>>>>> doesn't let community to be involved on the process other making request
>>>>>>> through ABRs etc. it is the same for PDP WGs ( I am aware of as I am
>>>>>>> involved for EPDP)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN Finance team looks usually to discuss about ICANN budget and
>>>>>>> operating plan not about internal finance of SG/C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le ven. 22 févr. 2019 à 10:34, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry Stephanie to come in here.
>>>>>>>> Others may choose to ignore it but I think there is a role based on
>>>>>>>> our NCSG charter guidelines especially on report back on how money or funds
>>>>>>>> given to stakeholders group or received from all sources are expended.
>>>>>>>> In financial management it's usually a precondition for another
>>>>>>>> round of support which I think ICANN.org is not strict about otherwise they
>>>>>>>> should be making the demands.
>>>>>>>> May be because there are individual reports very often and I know
>>>>>>>> Maryam team emphasis on this too as precondition.
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 1:01 a.m. Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you inquired of other Stakeholder Groups, how they handle
>>>>>>>>> their finances?  What role does ICANN play?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would suspect none.  It is not their place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>>>> On 2019-02-21 18:47, Remmy Nweke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Thato
>>>>>>>>> It should have been very helpful If I was to be there to assist in
>>>>>>>>> some physically.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, there will be need for online participation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is need also to have an ICANN staff preferably from Finance
>>>>>>>>> speak to some of the issues, especially in responsibility and expectations
>>>>>>>>> from an FC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Equally a few minutes remarks by NCSG chair will not be out of
>>>>>>>>> place as well as Cs chair. May be NCSG 3minutes, C chairs 2minutes each.
>>>>>>>>> They will still speak to issues as intervention arises.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>>> Remmy
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 4:48 PM Thato Mfikwe <
>>>>>>>>> thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *1. This is final call for iput on the ICANN64 FC meeting agenda
>>>>>>>>>> (90 minutes), please make your input so that I can circulate in the mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list by Monday 25 February for community input.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proposed Agenda
>>>>>>>>>> a. Introduction and background on the Finance Committee (5 min)
>>>>>>>>>> Justification: This will ensure participants are on the same page
>>>>>>>>>> and with the same understanding as the meeting progresses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> b. Overview of the NCSG Charter and the Draft FC OP (10 min)
>>>>>>>>>> Justification: Review of the Charter and OP contention areas
>>>>>>>>>> (responsibilities, the accounting, auditing and providing  oversight
>>>>>>>>>> function, bank account and incopropration implications or use of
>>>>>>>>>> constituency bank accounts (SPV), how the FC works with constituencies and
>>>>>>>>>> financial reporting )
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> c. Q & A (10 min)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> d. Harmonising of the OP with the NCSG Charter based on the
>>>>>>>>>> overview (10 min)
>>>>>>>>>> Justification: Obtaining community input and building synergy
>>>>>>>>>> between the NCSG Charter and FC OP
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> e. Open floor and inputs (15 min)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> f. NCSG priorities, needs and wants - planning forward (5 min)
>>>>>>>>>> Justification: Collection of ideas from members regarding their
>>>>>>>>>> priorities, needs and wants
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> g. Open floor (15 min)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> h.Fundraising and levelraging on ICANN finances - initiating a
>>>>>>>>>> fundraising plan (5 min)
>>>>>>>>>> Justification: Exploring different avenue for fundraising for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i. Open floor and Q & A (10 min)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> j. Call for volunteers for different focus areas and closure -
>>>>>>>>>> building internal capacity (5 min)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *2. Should the be an oversight somewhere, please make
>>>>>>>>>> recommendation. *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *3. Please also make input in terms of resource people who will
>>>>>>>>>> be needed to ease proceedings of this meeting and can also provide answers.
>>>>>>>>>> I still maintain that we need ICANN finance, so that we are able to discuss
>>>>>>>>>> ways on how the FC can leverage on ICANN finances and improve on the ABR
>>>>>>>>>> submission process.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>>>>>>
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