[NCSG-FC] Personal News / Potential Conflict

[Ayden Férdeline]

Thato,

I'm afraid I don't understand your point.

You already have full participation rights.

I have not attempted to change that.

All I have tried to do, in the operating procedures, is to formalise this so that it is clearer that the Finance Committee has a mechanism for receiving input from non-members and non-observers.

But to keep things factual, the charter when quoted in full and not selectively does differentiate between Members and Observers.

An observer is also defined as someone appointed an observer by a constituency, not just someone who wants to audit the Finance Committee's activities.

Our current list of Members and Observers is here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Committees-2019#Committees-811395002

Ayden Férdeline

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Friday, 5 July 2019 07:22, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Extract from the Charter below:
>
> 2.6.6. NCSG-­‐FC Observers
> • Any observer to the NCSG-­‐FC will have full participation rights except will not be counted in any consensus process or vote.
>
> Let me know if I am misinterpreting this clause because according to this clause nothing prevents FC observer members from fully engaging, thanks.
>
> Thato Mfikwe.
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:02 AM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thato,
>>
>> The charter differentiates between Members and Observers. However, I also welcome input and comments from non-members.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 21:49, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ayden,
>>>
>>> I was not aware that I was not a member, I thought as an observer member and according to the charter states any observer member within the FC I can comment but not get involved in decision making or voting within the FC.
>>>
>>> Please carefully read the Charter, unless that section has changed, thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 12:49 AM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Thato,
>>>>
>>>> Ahead of the call today I advised the NCUC Chair of the need to launch a call for my replacement. I also acknowledged this on today’s call, noting that my resignation is effective 30 July 2019 (so in three weeks time). So I will remain here as Chair until the NCUC appoints someone else. I did not want to spring this on the NCUC with no notice.
>>>>
>>>> However, the business of the Committee must go on, so I will continue to work over the coming weeks to develop our Operating Procedures to make life easier for our next Chair.
>>>>
>>>> As to your second question/comment, I think there is a misunderstanding. I said on today’s call that input should be received from both members of the FC and non-members. For example, Thato — you are no longer a member of the FC. But I still listen to your inputs :) That’s what I’m fighting for: broader participation.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden
>>>>
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 19:28, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>
>>>>> With only 4 months, I never expected to hear you say this. If you will no longer be an NCUC member then according to the Charter you cannot represent any constituency within the FC, the NCSG EC, I think can appoint members into the FC. The normal process is that if you decide to proceed then NCUC must call for another representative, consult the Charter for guidance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, Referring to your email:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document"
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying you rather comment and provide input to or in the FC than lead the committee? And if so, I understand you cannot continue commenting and providing input when you should be leading the process and resolving issues as they come and also in advance. Sometimes you need to be on the other side and work with members, who may not always agree with you in a collaborative way, in order to relieve strain of your work, since we are operating within a diverse organisation (ICANN) with a unique setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:52 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I advised on today's call, I have resigned my membership from the NCUC effective 30 July and, as I am an NCUC appointee to the Finance Committee, it is only right that the NCUC Executive Committee consider the implications of my decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be remaining an NCSG member (unaffiliated to any constituency) and while I will not officially be a member of the Finance Committee, I do intend to be informally observing the Finance Committee from the sidelines. I flag this because, as I was reviewing the draft operating procedures and reflecting on comments I made during today's call, I indicated that non-members of the Finance Committee should be able to comment and provide input to the Finance Committee. Given I may well be one of those individuals, this could be seen as a bias in the document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to make you aware of this. I do not think it is a major bias that materially impacts my ability to further contribute to the development of the operating procedures, but ultimately that is not and should not be my decision to make, so please do speak up if you disagree with my assessment. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
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