[NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting
Bruna Martins dos Santos
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
Mon Oct 1 23:21:32 EEST 2018
Dear all,
I am afraid I did not agree with or suggested any language regarding the FC
having oversight on constituencies, as I cannot speak on behalf of NCUC and
dont think our constituency would agree with. What I believe my comment was
suggesting was to set a definition and trace limits to such oversight and
maybe even starting a conversation with the broader community.
Best,
Bruna
Em seg, 1 de out de 2018 às 17:09, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
escreveu:
> Thato
>
> I don't see any comment from Bruna agreeing with FC having oversight on
> constituencies. I see one change by Joan. I have come up with a language
> that is better than direct oversight and in accordance to the charter. I
> suggest removing the constituencies and add to 3(VI)
>
> *NCSG Finance Committee, at the request of the constituencies, might
> provide advice for management of constituencies funds. *
>
> *If you and Remmy don't agree with this, then we can go to NCSG list and
> itemize the issues and seek consultation, if not then the only way is to
> send it to NCSG EC. if you want to do that in November so that I'd be gone,
> then by all means do so. I will enumerate all my concerns and submit them
> to NCSG EC and the chair. *
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 1:32 PM, Thato Mfikwe thatomfikwe at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Bruna and Joan, made some good edits on the section, please checkout the
>> current version on the link below, they also believe that the FC should
>> have some level of insight, monitoring and review function on constituency
>> affairs, for me, the current statement/section is good enough. I also
>> removed the management notion in regard to constituency expenditure.
>> :
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit#
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:15 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Thato
>>
>> Did you carry this out? Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) -
>> review the oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to
>> comment
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 9:29 AM, Thato Mfikwe thatomfikwe at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> 1. Finally I get a little bit of time to help push for submission of the
>> draft OP of the NCSG FC, our initial timelines were not met but if we can
>> push to submit by end of November that would not be a train smash.
>> 2. Remmy or Farzi, please start integration changes and comments on the
>> OP Draft document so that we can prepare for submission to the EC by
>> November 2018, and remember to close comment from the community
>> 3. I think we need to hold another meeting towards end of October in
>> order to finalise the Draft OP before submission to the EC
>> 4. We need to exercise fairness and consistency in our decision, please
>> kindly see my input inline below, thanks.
>>
>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:31 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Answers in line Remmy
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:31 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh
>> Thanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour.
>>
>> 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona
>> meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter.
>> 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can
>> be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/
>> Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should
>> become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am
>> also in line with Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on
>> automatic observer for chair for PC.
>>
>> *The issue of constituency chairs has been agreed upon (2/3) and minority
>> view (1/3) will be recorded, secondly, the observer status of PC chairs is
>> good for enhancing synergy and coordination amongst committees and
>> constituencies, provided that the FC chair will also receive observer
>> status on the NCG PC (what are you thoughts on this, because at some point
>> the FC and the PC need t see eye to eye and this process will create that
>> desired platform).*
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I disagree with any chair being automatically an observer because I
>> think the FC should be able to invite members and observers and chairs
>> involvement with FC should happen as needed. But I wonder why you are
>> specifically against pc chair being an observer? Can you please provide
>> your reasons?
>>
>>
>> 1.
>> 2. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee
>> Operating Procedure (accepted_
>> 3. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the
>> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
>> 4. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG
>> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and
>> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. (Considering
>> the difficulty of managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG
>> including the issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its
>> going to be a hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if
>> Special Purpose Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.)
>>
>> I think we need to see how treasury functions at constituency level,
>> there might be some lessons to learn on how to administer and manage the
>> bank account (NCUC chair would be of help in this instance).
>>
>>
>> Special purpose vehicle term was not accepted but this doesn't mean
>> others won't think about the right avenues for creating ncsg account.
>>
>>
>> 1.
>> 2. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the
>> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment
>> 3. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members
>> consultation etc
>> 4. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN.
>> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to
>> how he can approach the issue.
>>
>> *Farzi, please list those suggestions *
>>
>>
>> 1. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since
>> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is
>> sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making
>> in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority
>> or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC
>> decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do
>> not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision
>> is taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should
>> suffice and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided
>> house. IMO. We can disagree to agree eventually.
>>
>> *Again minority views will also be recorded.*
>>
>> You disregarded members comments on this issue and my comments and did
>> not want to come to a reformed language that does not necessarily require
>> FC be in ICANN meetings, is in line with our charter but also if the
>> opportunity arises enables FC to attend ICANN and other meetings. Hence I
>> would like to tell NCSG EC that I don't agree with these provisions that
>> you have passed and that it was not a consensus decision. I have discussed
>> this many many times and I have no desire to continue and I find it quite
>> amusing that you first don't want to come to a compromise and consensus
>> and then ask me not to do a dissent. FC is in charge of creating resources
>> for NCSG to do policy. It's not to be a strain on resources.
>>
>> Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have
>> not.
>>
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>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona
>> meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter
>> 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can
>> be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/
>> Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should
>> become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right)
>> 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee
>> Operating Procedure (accepted_
>> 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the
>> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
>> 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG
>> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and
>> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this.
>> 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the
>> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment
>> 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members
>> consultation etc
>> 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN.
>> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to
>> how he can approach the issue.
>> 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since
>> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent
>>
>> Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have
>> not.
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
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