[NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting

Tue Oct 2 01:15:51 EEST 2018

Hi Farzi,

I said they edited and not commented on the document and I agree with the current language but you may change the term “oversight” to a better term as opposed to changing the intention of the clauses themselves. Check carefully who made edits.

Thato Mfikwe.

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From: Bruna Martins dos Santos
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To: ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is
Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting

Dear all, 

I am afraid I did not agree with or suggested any language regarding the FC having oversight on constituencies, as I cannot speak on behalf of NCUC and dont think our constituency would agree with. What I believe my comment was suggesting was to set a definition and trace limits to such oversight and maybe even starting a conversation with the broader community. 

Best, 
Bruna 

Em seg, 1 de out de 2018 às 17:09, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> escreveu:
Thato 

I don't see any comment from Bruna agreeing with FC having oversight on constituencies. I see one change by Joan. I have come up with a language that is better than direct oversight and in accordance to the charter. I suggest removing the constituencies and add to  3(VI)

NCSG Finance Committee, at the request of the constituencies, might provide advice for management of constituencies funds. 

If you and Remmy don't agree with this, then we can go to NCSG list and itemize the issues and seek consultation, if not then the only way is to send it to NCSG EC. if you want to do that in November so that I'd be gone, then by all means do so. I will enumerate all my concerns and submit them to NCSG EC and the chair. 

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 1:32 PM, Thato Mfikwe thatomfikwe at gmail.com wrote:
Hi Farzaneh,

Bruna and Joan, made some good edits on the section, please checkout the current version on the link below, they also believe that the FC should have some level of insight, monitoring and review function on constituency affairs, for me, the current statement/section is good enough. I also removed the management notion in regard to constituency expenditure.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit#

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:15 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Thato

Did you carry this out? Thato to review  3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment 

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 9:29 AM, Thato Mfikwe thatomfikwe at gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,

1. Finally I get a little bit of time to help push for submission of the draft OP of the NCSG FC, our initial timelines were not met but if we can push to submit by end of November that would not be a train smash.
2. Remmy or Farzi, please start integration changes and comments on the OP Draft document so that we can prepare for submission to the EC by November 2018, and remember to close comment from the community
3. I think we need to hold another meeting towards end of October in order to finalise the Draft OP before submission to the EC
4. We need to exercise fairness and consistency in our decision, please kindly see my input inline below, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:31 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
Answers in line Remmy 

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:31 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Farzaneh
Thanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour.
1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter.
2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am also in line with Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on automatic observer for chair for PC.
The issue of constituency chairs has been agreed upon (2/3) and minority view (1/3) will be recorded, secondly, the observer status of PC chairs is good for enhancing synergy and coordination amongst  committees and constituencies, provided that the FC chair will also receive observer status on the NCG PC (what are you thoughts on this, because at some point the FC and the PC need t see eye to eye and this process will create that desired platform).

Well I disagree with any chair being automatically an observer because I think the FC should be able to invite members and observers and chairs involvement with FC should happen as needed. But I wonder why you are specifically against pc chair being an observer? Can you please provide your reasons?
1. 
2. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating Procedure (accepted_
3. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list 
4. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. (Considering the difficulty of managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG including the issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its going to be a hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if Special Purpose Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.)
I think we need to see how treasury functions at constituency level, there might be some lessons to learn on how to administer and manage the bank account (NCUC chair would be of help in this instance).

Special purpose vehicle term was not accepted but this doesn't mean others won't think about the right avenues for creating ncsg account.
1. 
2. Thato to review  3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment 
3. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members consultation etc 
4. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to how he can approach the issue.
Farzi, please list those suggestions 
1. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision is taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should suffice and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided house. IMO. We can disagree to agree eventually.
Again minority views will also be recorded.

You disregarded members comments on this issue and my comments and did not want to come to a reformed language that does not necessarily require FC be in ICANN meetings, is in line with our charter but also if the opportunity arises enables FC to attend ICANN and other meetings. Hence I would like to tell NCSG EC that I don't agree with these provisions that you have passed and that it was not a consensus decision. I have discussed this many many times and I have no desire to continue and I find it quite amusing that you first don't want to come to a compromise and consensus  and then ask me not to do a dissent. FC is in charge of creating resources for NCSG to do policy. It's not to be a strain on resources.

Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have not. 

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On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter
2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right)
3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating Procedure (accepted_
4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list 
5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this.
6. Thato to review  3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment 
7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members consultation etc 
8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to how he can approach the issue.
9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent 
Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have not. 

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