[NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting
farzaneh badii
farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
Mon Oct 1 23:09:04 EEST 2018
Thato
I don't see any comment from Bruna agreeing with FC having oversight on
constituencies. I see one change by Joan. I have come up with a language that is
better than direct oversight and in accordance to the charter. I suggest
removing the constituencies and add to 3(VI)
NCSG Finance Committee, at the request of the constituencies, might provide
advice for management of constituencies funds.
If you and Remmy don't agree with this, then we can go to NCSG list and itemize
the issues and seek consultation, if not then the only way is to send it to NCSG
EC. if you want to do that in November so that I'd be gone, then by all means do
so. I will enumerate all my concerns and submit them to NCSG EC and the chair.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 1:32 PM, Thato Mfikwe thatomfikwe at gmail.com wrote:
Hi Farzaneh,
Bruna and Joan, made some good edits on the section, please checkout the current
version on the link below, they also believe that the FC should have some level
of insight, monitoring and review function on constituency affairs, for me, the
current statement/section is good enough. I also removed the management notion
in regard to constituency expenditure.
:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit#
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:15 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Thato
Did you carry this out?Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the
oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 9:29 AM, Thato Mfikwe thatomfikwe at gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
1. Finally I get a little bit of time to help push for submission of the draft
OP of the NCSG FC, our initial timelines were not met but if we can push to
submit by end of November that would not be a train smash.2. Remmy or Farzi,
please start integration changes and comments on the OP Draft document so that
we can prepare for submission to the EC by November 2018, and remember to close
comment from the community
3. I think we need to hold another meeting towards end of October in order to
finalise the Draft OP before submission to the EC
4. We need to exercise fairness and consistency in our decision, please kindly
see my input inline below, thanks.
Thato Mfikwe.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:31 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
Answers in line Remmy
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:31 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi FarzanehThanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour. 1.
Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona meeting,
automatically a member of FC according to the charter.
2.
Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can be
invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ Farzaneh
disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should become an
observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am also in line with
Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on automatic observer for
chair for PC.
The issue of constituency chairs has been agreed upon (2/3) and minority view
(1/3) will be recorded, secondly, the observer status of PC chairs is good for
enhancing synergy and coordination amongst committees and constituencies,
provided that the FC chair will also receive observer status on the NCG PC (what
are you thoughts on this, because at some point the FC and the PC need t see eye
to eye and this process will create that desired platform).
Well I disagree with any chair being automatically an observer because I think
the FC should be able to invite members and observers and chairs involvement
with FC should happen as needed. But I wonder why you are specifically against
pc chair being an observer? Can you please provide your reasons? 1.
2. 2.6 of
charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating Procedure
(accepted_
3.
Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the finance
committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
4. Remove
section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG (Joan, Stephanie
and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and Stephanie are in a
good position to work together on this. (Considering the difficulty of
managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG including the
issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its going to be a
hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if Special Purpose
Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.)
I think we need to see how treasury functions at constituency level, there might
be some lessons to learn on how to administer and manage the bank account (NCUC
chair would be of help in this instance).
Special purpose vehicle term was not accepted but this doesn't mean others won't
think about the right avenues for creating ncsg account. 1.
2. Thato to review
3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and remove and reword
then provide to NCSG FC to comment
3. ABR submission/ A
lightweight process for submission/ Members consultation etc
4. Thato discussed how
to receive travel allocation from ICANN. Farzaneh disagreed that there is a
need but provided some suggestions as to how he can approach the issue.
Farzi, please list those suggestions
1. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato and
Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is
sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making
in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority
or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC
decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do
not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision is
taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should suffice
and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided house. IMO.
We can disagree to agree eventually.
Again minority views will also be recorded.
You disregarded members comments on this issue and my comments and did not want
to come to a reformed language that does not necessarily require FC be in ICANN
meetings, is in line with our charter but also if the opportunity arises enables
FC to attend ICANN and other meetings. Hence I would like to tell NCSG EC that I
don't agree with these provisions that you have passed and that it was not a
consensus decision. I have discussed this many many times and I have no desire
to continue and I find it quite amusing that you first don't want to come to a
compromise and consensus and then ask me not to do a dissent. FC is in charge
of creating resources for NCSG to do policy. It's not to be a strain on
resources.
Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have not.
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona meeting,
automatically a member of FC according to the charter
2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can be
invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ Farzaneh
disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should become an
observer automatically (I hope I got that one right)
3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating
Procedure (accepted_
4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the finance
committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG (Joan,
Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and Stephanie
are in a good position to work together on this.
6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and
remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment
7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members consultation
etc
8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. Farzaneh
disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to how he
can approach the issue.
9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato and
Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent
Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have not.
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