[NCSG-EC] Approval of new members

Tue Nov 15 18:34:48 EET 2022

And I just noticed that Fik, Avri and Farz were left out in a previous
reply. So im bringing them back (:

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 5:31 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, all,
>
> I meant to jump in on this topic so thanks @Robin Gross
> <robin at ipjustice.org> for officially adding us to the thread (:
>
> Although Im not sure if Im one of the chairs that 'failed to point Julf to
> the Operating Procedures', what we did before was to also have formal
> discussions about the candidates when we saw that it was a case where one
> of the EC members was heading towards a 'no'. Bearing in mind our consensus
> rule, I always thought that such meetings were useful because it allowed
> for a proper discussion about missing points in membership applications and
> even information requests to prospective members.
>
> Best,
> B
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 5:26 PM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Robin, and yes, you are right about the Charter.
>>
>> A special thanks for the pointer to the Operating Procedures - something
>> I have been asking about, but even former chairs were unable to point
>> me to them.
>>
>>         Julf
>>
>>
>> On 15/11/2022 17:18, Robin Gross wrote:
>> > Thanks, Julf.
>> >
>> > Yes, it is super important that all members of the NCSG-EC become
>> > familiar with the NCSG Charter and our SG’s Operating Procedures.
>> >
>> > The NCSG Charter
>> > <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/38046240> explains
>> > that by default, EC decisions require no objections from any EC
>> members.
>> >   We can alter that decision-making threshold on a full consensus basis
>> > but we have done that for new memberships.  See NCSG Charter:
>> >
>> > *2.4.2. NCSG‑EC Decision making*
>> >
>> >   * By default NCSG‑EC decisions are made by full consensus of all
>> >     NCSG‑EC members. Full consensus means that no NCSG‑EC members have
>> >     objected to the proposed decision. Any exception to this default
>> >     will be approved by the NCSG‑EC on a full consensus basis.
>> >
>> > We also have established Operating Procedures
>> > <
>> https://community.icann.org/m/view-rendered-page.action?abstractPageId=88573383#>,
>> that deal with the actual process for how the applications should move
>> along (but does not alter our voting threshold).  See:
>> >
>> https://community.icann.org/m/view-rendered-page.action?abstractPageId=88573383#
>> <
>> https://community.icann.org/m/view-rendered-page.action?abstractPageId=88573383#
>> >
>> >
>> > I’d like to ask each member of the EC to review the NCSG Charter and
>> the
>> > New Member Approval Process Operating Procedures highlighted above so
>> we
>> > are all on the same page regarding our duties and expectations.
>> >
>> > So NCSG has always operated with the requirement that new memberships
>> > require full consensus of all EC members.  I’ve cc’d former NCSG
>> Chairs,
>> > Bruna, Farzi, Rafik, and Avri to confirm this has been our longstanding
>> > practice regarding new membership approvals in addition to what is
>> > stated in our charter on EC decisions.  Thank you.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Robin
>> >
>> >> On Nov 15, 2022, at 5:43 AM, Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com
>> >> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Robin,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for going through the applications.
>> >>
>> >>> But I’m concerned that none of the organizational applications
>> >>> provided any kind of statement of interest, or domain name, or any
>> >>> information at all.  Is that because our system is broken and it
>> >>> isn’t being saved when applicants enter in the data?  Or do
>> >>> applicants think it is unnecessary to fill out the application?  For
>> >>> many of these applicants, there is nothing but the name of an
>> >>> organization supplied and that does not enable us to do our due
>> >>> diligence on them.
>> >>
>> >> That is a good question. We need to look into that.
>> >>
>> >>> Remember that accepting new members requires no “no” votes under our
>> >>> charter.  Decisions to accept members must be unanimous.
>> >>
>> >> Is that documented anywhere. The NCSG charter specifies membership
>> >> criteria, but not the actual approval procedure.
>> >>
>> >> Julf
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
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>
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>
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>

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*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
für Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

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