[NCSG-EC] clarifications on election

Tue Jun 2 15:38:22 EEST 2020

Well the way the language is formulated, it says no more than a single
gender - however many genders there are. I think it actually avoids
the problem of affirmatively representing gender(s).

But as you said Raoul, now is not the best time to stir the pot. So lets
let it rest. If it pops again, we'll see.

Have a nice day,

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:07 AM Raoul Plommer via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> The "transgender bit" is actually seriously hard to formulate, if we want
> to make sure we have at least two males and females in the council, without
> excluding the third gender. There is no way we could always (if ever)
> attract two transgender people on board. I can't come up with language that
> clears all the hurdles, at least not the top of my head. I think it'd be
> unwise to ignore this completely though. Could encourage anyone to start
> the process on better language on of the charter, but like it was already
> said, the elections aren't really the best time for it.
>
> -Raoul
>
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 06:45, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> Have you made arrangements re chairing the meeting? Do you want/Is one of
>> us to take care of it, or is it Maryam that usually does in those cases?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:21 PM U Of T <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Incidently, i unfortunately will not be able to attend the meeting
>>> tomorrow as i have a client conference that was booked months ago.  I will
>>> keep an eye on skype, and if there is an emergency, please send me a ping
>>> and i will break away.
>>> Very sorry but this was unexpected.  So was the stupid EPDP meeting also
>>> on tomorrow.
>>> Someone may wish to point out to these folks that my announcements if
>>> the election contained links to the relevant chunk of the Charter.   Good
>>> idea to read the message.
>>> Cheers Steph
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 20:48, U Of T <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think those are great responses.  Are you going to ignore the
>>> transgender bit?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 20:26, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC <
>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for jumping in Robin, and thank you for the info!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 6:15 PM Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raphael,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for drafting this below.  It is a NCSG rule that we have
>>>> followed since the charter’s initial adoption in 2011.  A few years ago, we
>>>> were worried we wouldn’t have enough male candidates to meet the
>>>> requirement.  This year, we almost lacked enough female candidates, but
>>>> thanks to Stephanie we can meet our charter requirement.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <
>>>> rbeauregardlacroix at GMAIL.COM <rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid some "dissent" might catch on and snowball. I'm not totally
>>>> convinced of the wisdom of replying at this point though, so open to
>>>> any suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> But what I could foresee in terms of language:
>>>>
>>>> "Dear +++,
>>>>
>>>> The basis for the rules we follow regarding elections to the GNSO can
>>>> be found in Art. 3.1. of the Charter. We have been using this system since
>>>> +++. You may disagree with it; there is indeed some rigidity to it. You are
>>>> also free to voice your disagreement.
>>>>
>>>> While elections are often a time where procedural debates arise, we
>>>> would however encourage discussions about changes to our electoral system
>>>> for the GNSO Council positions to take place outside the electoral period.
>>>> The reason for this is that a change to this electoral process would
>>>> require a Charter amendment, in line with the rules at Art. 5 of said
>>>> Charter.
>>>>
>>>> You can find the most recent version of the Charter here:
>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/filefield_25801/ncsg-charter-05may11-en.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your understanding and continued engagement,"
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 1:51 PM Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <
>>>> rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes sounds all good, and thanks a lot for volunteering language :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 1:21 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <
>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> EC Members:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d like to send the following message to the discuss list to help
>>>>>> set expectations regarding this election.  Please let me know if you object
>>>>>> before 12:00 PT today because I will send it then in keeping with our
>>>>>> election timetable.  Thanks for your quick response!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NCSG Members:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to clarify a few issues in advance regarding the current NCSG
>>>>>> election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.  We have 4 GNSO Council seats up for election.  The top 3 vote
>>>>>> getters will receive a two-year term.  The 4th place vote getter will only
>>>>>> be for a one-year term because it is filling a seat mid-term.  This is
>>>>>> subject to paragraph 2 below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.  Regarding the gender diversity rule for the GNSO Council, the
>>>>>> NCSG Charter provides that “in no circumstance should there be fewer than
>>>>>> two members of any gender.”  As Tatiana is presently our only continuing
>>>>>> female member, Stephanie will automatically be elected to the GNSO Council
>>>>>> regardless of how many votes she receives because we are required to have
>>>>>> at least two female Council members under our charter.  So the gender rule,
>>>>>> trumps the number of votes earned in terms of winning a seat.  This means
>>>>>> that Stephanie + the top 3 vote getters from the other candidates will be
>>>>>> elected to Council.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.  Our regional diversity rules should not be a factor in this
>>>>>> election, however, because no more than two members would be declared
>>>>>> resident of the same geographic region.
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