[NCSG-EC] Membership Approval Process Document

[Raoul Plommer]

I went through it as well and I think it's good to go.

-Raoul

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 08:17, Zalnieriute, Monika via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

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> I approve, Frazi, thanks.
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> Kind regards,
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> Dr. Monika Zalnieriute
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> *From:* NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Robin Gross
> via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 2:10 AM
> *To:* farzaneh badii; NCSG EC
> *Subject:* Re: [NCSG-EC] Membership Approval Process Document
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> Thanks Farzi.  I went through the document and made a few wording change
> suggestions, nothing substantive though.  Otherwise, it looks good to me.
> Thanks.
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> Best,
> Robin
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> On Oct 12, 2018, at 1:22 PM, farzaneh badii via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
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> Looks like no one has any objections. For the avoidance of doubt I will
> wait until beginning of next week before decalaring approval, I appreciate
> if you could weigh in positively even if it's just saying you approve.
>
> Google Doc is here:
>  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE/edit
> <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmonika.zalnieriute%40eui.eu%7Ccbd3616e4b574f77e36108d6324371e1%7Cd3f434ee643c409f94aa6db2f23545ce%7C0%7C0%7C636751662609108391&sdata=1IgFXQxDNJDQufoTuu5iQLEVFZPf5%2FI2OlOGRbZm16s%3D&reserved=0>
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> Members questions and answers:
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> *2. Why is it essential for us that you protect and aim to advance the
> noncommercial interest in domain name policy as an NCSG and its
> constituencies member?*
>
> The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "*If you
> are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large
> Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest, part of
> the civil society, you are eligible to apply."*
>
> Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters
> and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't have to be
> ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not only related to ISOC
> chapters and cover other organizations. But in a footnote I have clarified
> and made an example of ISOC chapters.
>
>
> Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden thinks
> that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks it's
> cumbersome and if not reworded should be dropped. the paragraph reads as:
>
>
>  For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of
> domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to
> apply for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate
> about the noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does
> not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of
> At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations
> (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil
> society, you are eligible to apply.
> If you are protecting the brand owners interests over noncommercial users
> and uses of DNS interests, you are not eligible to apply. You can join the
> commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property
> constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG
> is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers
> and experts as our members, but their mission is to prevent intellectual
> property overreach and have a balanced approach towards individual rights
> and commercial rights
>
>
>
> This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the
> questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join
> NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities.  if someone
> is carrying out some commercial activity, whether they can join. I think it
> should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line
> with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG
> EC and we will see what the committee is going to decide.
>
>
>
> *3. How does the approval process work?*
>
>
> Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I
> added his sentence.
>
> Remmy has commented that: We shall not loose sight of the fact that at
> times also our constituencies have new members first before their
> membership of NCSG except if we are by this review barring Constituencies
> from taking in members outside NCSG. Clarification please.
>
> To clarify for Remmy: Anyone that wants to join NPOC or NCUC has to first
> become a member of NCSG - no one can become a member of NCUC nor NPOC
> without being a member of NCSG. However, joining a constituency is not
> compulsory and members can just be independent NCSG members without joining
> constituencies.
>
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> Farzaneh
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> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:14 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Dear NCSG members
>
> Please go through the membership approval process below in the Google doc,
> I have tried to resolve the issues raised or provide answers to the
> comments. The remaining issues which I highlighted in my email to the list
> and responded to did not attract any response. please go through the
> document and see if you can approve the document as is by the end of the
> week.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *farzaneh badii* <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:07 PM
> Subject: Membership Approval Process Document
> To: NCSG List <ncsg-discuss at listserv.syr.edu>
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> These are the comments that we have so far received on the approval
> guidelines at the Google Doc:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE/edit
> <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmonika.zalnieriute%40eui.eu%7Ccbd3616e4b574f77e36108d6324371e1%7Cd3f434ee643c409f94aa6db2f23545ce%7C0%7C0%7C636751662609108391&sdata=1IgFXQxDNJDQufoTuu5iQLEVFZPf5%2FI2OlOGRbZm16s%3D&reserved=0>
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> I am going to submit this to NCSG EC, unless you find something concerning
> until the end of the week.
>
> Here is how I addressed the issues that were raised by the members.
>
> Question 2 and 3 received some substantive comments, see below:
>
>
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> *2. Why is it essential for us that you protect and aim to advance the
> noncommercial interest in domain name policy as an NCSG and its
> constituencies member? *
>
> The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "*If you
> are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large
> Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest, part of
> the civil society, you are eligible to apply."*
>
> Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters
> and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't have to be
> ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not only related to ISOC
> chapters and cover other organizations. But in a footnote I have clarified
> and made an example of ISOC chapters.
>
>
> Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden thinks
> that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks it's
> cumbersome and if not reworded should be dropped. the paragraph reads as:
>
>
>  For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of
> domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to
> apply for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate
> about the noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does
> not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of
> At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations
> (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil
> society, you are eligible to apply.
> If you are protecting the brand owners interests over noncommercial users
> and uses of DNS interests, you are not eligible to apply. You can join the
> commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property
> constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG
> is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers
> and experts as our members, but their mission is to prevent intellectual
> property overreach and have a balanced approach towards individual rights
> and commercial rights
>
>
>
> This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the
> questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join
> NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities.  if someone
> is carrying out some commercial activity, whether they can join. I think it
> should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line
> with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG
> EC and we will see what the committee is going to decide.
>
>
>
> *3. How does the approval process work? *
>
>
> Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I
> added his sentence.
>
> Remmy has commented that: We shall not loose sight of the fact that at
> times also our constituencies have new members first before their
> membership of NCSG except if we are by this review barring Constituencies
> from taking in members outside NCSG. Clarification please.
>
> To clarify for Remmy: Anyone that wants to join NPOC or NCUC has to first
> become a member of NCSG - no one can become a member of NCUC nor NPOC
> without being a member of NCSG. However, joining a constituency is not
> compulsory and members can just be independent NCSG members without joining
> constituencies.
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
> --
> Farzaneh
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