[NCSG-EC] Membership Approval Process Document

Tue Oct 16 22:43:45 EEST 2018

Thanks. This is approved and will be uploaded on our website as well as on
the application form.

Farzaneh

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 4:16 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I went through it as well and I think it's good to go.
>
> -Raoul
>
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 08:17, Zalnieriute, Monika via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
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>> I approve, Frazi, thanks.
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>> Kind regards,
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>>
>>
>> Dr. Monika Zalnieriute
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>> Post-Doctoral Fellow @ Melbourne Law School |
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>> The University of Melbourne I law.unimelb.edu.au I
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>> 185 Pelham St, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia I
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>> Visiting Fellow @ Center for Media, Data and Society I
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>> Central European University I cmds.ceu.edu I
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>> Representative @ Executive Committee I
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>> Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group I ICANN I icann.org I
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>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Robin Gross
>> via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 2:10 AM
>> *To:* farzaneh badii; NCSG EC
>> *Subject:* Re: [NCSG-EC] Membership Approval Process Document
>>
>> Thanks Farzi.  I went through the document and made a few wording change
>> suggestions, nothing substantive though.  Otherwise, it looks good to me.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 1:22 PM, farzaneh badii via NCSG-EC <
>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like no one has any objections. For the avoidance of doubt I will
>> wait until beginning of next week before decalaring approval, I appreciate
>> if you could weigh in positively even if it's just saying you approve.
>>
>> Google Doc is here:
>>  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE/edit
>> <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmonika.zalnieriute%40eui.eu%7Ccbd3616e4b574f77e36108d6324371e1%7Cd3f434ee643c409f94aa6db2f23545ce%7C0%7C0%7C636751662609108391&sdata=1IgFXQxDNJDQufoTuu5iQLEVFZPf5%2FI2OlOGRbZm16s%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> Members questions and answers:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *2. Why is it essential for us that you protect and aim to advance the
>> noncommercial interest in domain name policy as an NCSG and its
>> constituencies member?*
>>
>> The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "*If you
>> are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large
>> Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest, part of
>> the civil society, you are eligible to apply."*
>>
>> Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters
>> and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't have to be
>> ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not only related to ISOC
>> chapters and cover other organizations. But in a footnote I have clarified
>> and made an example of ISOC chapters.
>>
>>
>> Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden
>> thinks that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks
>> it's cumbersome and if not reworded should be dropped. the paragraph reads
>> as:
>>
>>
>>  For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of
>> domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to
>> apply for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate
>> about the noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does
>> not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of
>> At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations
>> (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil
>> society, you are eligible to apply.
>> If you are protecting the brand owners interests over noncommercial users
>> and uses of DNS interests, you are not eligible to apply. You can join the
>> commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property
>> constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG
>> is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers
>> and experts as our members, but their mission is to prevent intellectual
>> property overreach and have a balanced approach towards individual rights
>> and commercial rights
>>
>>
>>
>> This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the
>> questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join
>> NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities.  if someone
>> is carrying out some commercial activity, whether they can join. I think it
>> should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line
>> with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG
>> EC and we will see what the committee is going to decide.
>>
>>
>>
>> *3. How does the approval process work?*
>>
>>
>> Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I
>> added his sentence.
>>
>> Remmy has commented that: We shall not loose sight of the fact that at
>> times also our constituencies have new members first before their
>> membership of NCSG except if we are by this review barring Constituencies
>> from taking in members outside NCSG. Clarification please.
>>
>> To clarify for Remmy: Anyone that wants to join NPOC or NCUC has to first
>> become a member of NCSG - no one can become a member of NCUC nor NPOC
>> without being a member of NCSG. However, joining a constituency is not
>> compulsory and members can just be independent NCSG members without joining
>> constituencies.
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:14 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear NCSG members
>>
>> Please go through the membership approval process below in the Google
>> doc, I have tried to resolve the issues raised or provide answers to the
>> comments. The remaining issues which I highlighted in my email to the list
>> and responded to did not attract any response. please go through the
>> document and see if you can approve the document as is by the end of the
>> week.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: *farzaneh badii* <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Membership Approval Process Document
>> To: NCSG List <ncsg-discuss at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> These are the comments that we have so far received on the approval
>> guidelines at the Google Doc:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE/edit
>> <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1vb4a7KnsDwqQlKCMkQx2y8DlykYkT2z3ODxMweGcxTE%2Fedit&data=02%7C01%7Cmonika.zalnieriute%40eui.eu%7Ccbd3616e4b574f77e36108d6324371e1%7Cd3f434ee643c409f94aa6db2f23545ce%7C0%7C0%7C636751662609108391&sdata=1IgFXQxDNJDQufoTuu5iQLEVFZPf5%2FI2OlOGRbZm16s%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> I am going to submit this to NCSG EC, unless you find something
>> concerning until the end of the week.
>>
>> Here is how I addressed the issues that were raised by the members.
>>
>> Question 2 and 3 received some substantive comments, see below:
>>
>>
>>
>> *2. Why is it essential for us that you protect and aim to advance the
>> noncommercial interest in domain name policy as an NCSG and its
>> constituencies member? *
>>
>> The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "*If you
>> are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large
>> Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest, part of
>> the civil society, you are eligible to apply."*
>>
>> Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters
>> and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't have to be
>> ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not only related to ISOC
>> chapters and cover other organizations. But in a footnote I have clarified
>> and made an example of ISOC chapters.
>>
>>
>> Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden
>> thinks that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks
>> it's cumbersome and if not reworded should be dropped. the paragraph reads
>> as:
>>
>>
>>  For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of
>> domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to
>> apply for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate
>> about the noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does
>> not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of
>> At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations
>> (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil
>> society, you are eligible to apply.
>> If you are protecting the brand owners interests over noncommercial users
>> and uses of DNS interests, you are not eligible to apply. You can join the
>> commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property
>> constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG
>> is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers
>> and experts as our members, but their mission is to prevent intellectual
>> property overreach and have a balanced approach towards individual rights
>> and commercial rights
>>
>>
>>
>> This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the
>> questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join
>> NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities.  if someone
>> is carrying out some commercial activity, whether they can join. I think it
>> should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line
>> with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG
>> EC and we will see what the committee is going to decide.
>>
>>
>>
>> *3. How does the approval process work? *
>>
>>
>> Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I
>> added his sentence.
>>
>> Remmy has commented that: We shall not loose sight of the fact that at
>> times also our constituencies have new members first before their
>> membership of NCSG except if we are by this review barring Constituencies
>> from taking in members outside NCSG. Clarification please.
>>
>> To clarify for Remmy: Anyone that wants to join NPOC or NCUC has to first
>> become a member of NCSG - no one can become a member of NCUC nor NPOC
>> without being a member of NCSG. However, joining a constituency is not
>> compulsory and members can just be independent NCSG members without joining
>> constituencies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>>
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