[Call for Volunteers] Appointment of representative and alternate to the PPSAI IRT

Tomslin Samme-Nlar mesumbeslin at GMAIL.COM
Mon Jun 3 00:27:30 EEST 2024 

Thanks, Farzi.

You are right, if we don't, the IRT will certainly move forward.

On the number of reps, it appears we can have up to 3 and 3 alternates, if
we can get that many volunteers.

On relaying our unhappiness to council, a statement we can read in Kigali
would definitely be helpful.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Mon, 3 June 2024, 13:13 farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tomslin, if we don’t appoint a rep do they still go ahead with the IRT? I
> think that is the case and well we will only miss the chance of changing
> the outcome if we don’t . Can you please make sure that we can appoint
> three representatives, I assume CSG does too. And can the councilors relay
> our unhappiness with going forward with this in this manner? Maybe a
> statement that can be read out by one of you?
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 11:04 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi members,
>>
>> I haven't heard back on this. So, I am following up to know whether the
>> PC should proceed with appointing a representative to the IRT or decline to.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Tue, 28 May 2024, 09:53 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the comments @farzi, @Kathy, @Ponce and @Pedro.
>>>
>>> @Pedro, you ask an important question, "*are we ... appointing
>>> volunteers while we wait for the GNSO council to act or is it better to
>>> refuse to nominate someone for now*? ". I wait to hear what our members
>>> think.
>>>
>>> On the GNSO action side of things, Find my a brief of what has
>>> transpired in the council since 2019 on this topic below but I'd also like
>>> input from @Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> who is
>>> one of the council liaisons to the PPSAI IRT:
>>>
>>> - As a result of potential conflicts and/or overlap of work between the
>>> PPSAI IRT and GDPR-related work in EPDP on Temp Spec, in March 2019,  ICANN
>>> org asked the GNSO Council, “whether ICANN org should continue to delay
>>> public comment and implementation of PPSAI or take additional steps pending
>>> completion of the EPDP in consultation with the PPSAI Implementation Review
>>> Team (IRT).
>>> - Council responded to Org saying, “*given the divergent views among
>>> Councilors* and considering the respective roles of ICANN Org in
>>> leading implementation work of consensus policy recommendations and the
>>> PPSAI IRT in overseeing the implementation work, the GNSO *Council
>>> considers it appropriate to defer the decision on this issue to ICANN org
>>> and the PPSAI IRT*, taking into account the various views of the SOs
>>> and ACs.” [emphasis added]
>>> - On 2 March 2021, ICANN org delivered the Wave 1.5 Report
>>> <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2021-March/024506.html> to the
>>> GNSO Council, which included a detailed analysis of the extent to which the
>>> EPDP Phase 1 recommendations may require modification to the PPSAI and
>>> Translation & Transliteration policies, which are in the policy
>>> implementation phase. Following review of the Wave 1.5 Report, the Council
>>> observed the following in its 1 July 2021 letter [gnso.icann.org]
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/fouquart-to-lentz-01jul21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!72Ceiu66uyoV0OHChjdR9frkPlBYYXnOJZ5zB8r86XzWBmEUoVf8ybKlInPdH4obWmz6r2jOJd6I6Op0U5lFnsYtCg$>
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - *The decision to pause the implementation of the PPSAI and
>>>    Translation & Transliteration policy recommendations was a decision that
>>>    was made by ICANN org, not the GNSO Council. As such, the Council is of the
>>>    view that a decision to restart the implementation activities is not within
>>>    the remit of the GNSO Council but for ICANN org* to make.
>>>    - *Should any policy issues arise during the implementation of these
>>>    policy recommendations, there are processes and procedures that allow the
>>>    Council to further consider these*, but the Council is of the view
>>>    that the respective Implementation Review Teams (IRTs) will be best placed
>>>    to identify such possible issues.
>>>    - The Council would also like to point to the letter
>>>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/namazi-to-drazek-et-al-05sep19-en.pdf>
>>>    that was sent to the Council in September 2019 in which it was noted that
>>>    “following the completion of relevant EPDP work, ICANN org will reassess
>>>    the existing draft PP materials in consultation with the PPSAI IRT
>>>    and determine how to proceed with implementation of the Privacy and Proxy
>>>    Services Accreditation Program”. From a Council’s perspective this still
>>>    seems a relevant and timely next step.
>>>
>>> So, as you can see, the council holds the view that if there are issues
>>> arising in the policy as drafted during implementation, they are confident
>>> that the issues can be addressed with existing processes and procedures.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 07:06, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the strategy on how to approach this problem, are we
>>>> nonetheless appointing volunteers while we wait for the GNSO council to act
>>>> or is it better to refuse to nominate someone for now?
>>>>
>>>> Cordially,
>>>>
>>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>>>> Researcher
>>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>>>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
>>>> This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received
>>>> by mistake, please reply informing it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em seg., 27 de mai. de 2024 às 11:35, Poncelet Ileleji <
>>>> pileleji at jokkolabs.co> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 kathy +1 Farzi, I can't agree more
>>>>>
>>>>> *Poncelet O. Ileleji*
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 1:46 PM Kathy Kleiman <kathy at dnrc.tech> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  +1 to Farzi, and an Implementation Review Team (run by ICANN Staff)
>>>>>> is hardly the place to state that the law has gone in a completely
>>>>>> different direction since the original Policy was negotiated.  No one on
>>>>>> the ICANN Board or Staff feels empowered to "stop this train" although it
>>>>>> is eight years old and badly out of date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *That power rests in the GNSO Council. Can we (NCSG), through our
>>>>>> Councilors, call for a legal review of the proposed PPSAI for problems (if
>>>>>> any) with its underlying legal foundation in light of the adoption of GDPR
>>>>>> and over half the countries of the world now following the European
>>>>>> "comprehensive right of privacy"? *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best and asking all of our current Councilors (past and future ones
>>>>>> too),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>> On 5/27/2024 9:26 AM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tomslin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a bit odd. Didn’t we discuss that most of those policy
>>>>>> recommendations were outdated and could not be implemented? Are they hoping
>>>>>> that by doing the IRT we can undertake feasibility for the recommendations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is why I did suggest considering time limits for implementing
>>>>>> policies. You can’t come up with a policy and then want to enforce it 8
>>>>>> years later! Especially in the technology space, that is not possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 5:53 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear members,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a request from Org for SG/Cs to appoint a representative
>>>>>>> and an alternate to the PPSAI IRT. We (NCSG) had concerns with the IRT
>>>>>>> going ahead but as you can see, Org is still going ahead with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NCSG is seeking a representative and an alternate. Please read below
>>>>>>> for details of the role of the representative and on what the IRT will be
>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send your EOI to me (mesumbeslin at gmail.com) copying Julf (
>>>>>>> julf at julf.com) and Andrea (andrea.glandon at icann.org) no later than
>>>>>>> Friday May 31st 2023 for the policy committee's review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject:        [GNSO-SG-C-Leadership] Appointment of representative
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> alternate to the PPSAI IRT
>>>>>>> Date:   Tue, 21 May 2024 19:59:02 +0000
>>>>>>> From:   Dennis Chang via GNSO-SG-C-Leadership
>>>>>>> <gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Reply-To:       Dennis Chang <dennis.chang at icann.org>
>>>>>>> To:     gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org <
>>>>>>> gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org>
>>>>>>> CC:     Leon Grundmann <leon.grundmann at icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following the publication of the Call for Volunteers
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en>,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>>> organization (org) is pleased to invite you to nominate a
>>>>>>> representative
>>>>>>> and an alternate to the Proxy & Privacy Services (PPSAI) policy
>>>>>>> Implementation Review Team (IRT).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The implementation process is an ICANN org-driven exercise.  ICANN
>>>>>>> org
>>>>>>> plans to employ the “Open + Representative Model” piloted on the
>>>>>>> Subsequent Procedures IRT and based on the GNSO’s PDP 3.0 model
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/pdp-3-2-working-group-models-10feb20-en.pdf.pdf>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The goal is to provide a structure that allows for efficient
>>>>>>> resolution
>>>>>>> of issues that may occur.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We kindly ask that your group nominate up to one representative and
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> to one alternate to participate in the IRT. Please note, we are
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>> each of ICANN’s supporting organizations, advisory committees,
>>>>>>> stakeholder groups and constituencies to nominate up to one
>>>>>>> representative and one alternate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putting forward a representative and alternate is optional; all
>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> of the GNSO Group are welcome to join the IRT as participants. In
>>>>>>> fact,
>>>>>>> we urge anyone who is interested in being selected as a
>>>>>>> representative
>>>>>>> to join the IRT as a participant first (call for volunteers
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en>).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you will see below, the roles of participants and representatives
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> nearly identical, with the representatives’ main function being that
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> an information-bridge to their community groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN org plans to host the first IRT call during the ICANN80 public
>>>>>>> meeting in June 2024. We do not require the nominees for the first
>>>>>>> meeting, but request that you conclude the nomination process and
>>>>>>> inform
>>>>>>> us of the nominees as soon as feasible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why Have Representatives?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While participants always speak in their own personal capacity,
>>>>>>> representatives are expected to speak on behalf of their
>>>>>>> constituency,
>>>>>>> stakeholder group, supporting organization, or advisory committee.
>>>>>>> Therefore, a key part of the representative’s role will be to engage
>>>>>>> actively and consistently with their colleagues to ensure they can
>>>>>>> convey their group’s viewpoints to the IRT. Please note, that this
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> require an efficient process for representatives to inform and
>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>> input from their respective groups. To put this into place will be
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> responsibility of each representative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition, when determining the level of consensus in the
>>>>>>> circumstance
>>>>>>> described in Section V.E. of the IRT Principles & Guidelines
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf>,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the GNSO Liaison, in the Open + Representative model, shall take
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> consideration that members who are representatives are expected to
>>>>>>> express the viewpoint of their respective community groups and
>>>>>>> participants to express their own views. This does not impact each
>>>>>>> member’s ability to raise any concern they may have, nor does it
>>>>>>> absolve
>>>>>>> ICANN org or the GNSO Council liaison from “exercis[ing] all
>>>>>>> reasonable
>>>>>>> efforts to resolve disagreements” within the IRT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More information can be found on this PPSAI IRT wiki page
>>>>>>> <https://community.icann.org/x/lQDSEw>.  We are looking forward to
>>>>>>> getting the IRT underway and, please, do not hesitate to reach out
>>>>>>> should you have any questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis S. Chang
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GDD Programs Director
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone: +1 213 293 7889
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sykpe: dennisSchang
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org>  One World – One Internet
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kathy Kleiman
>>>>>> Past President, Domain Name Rights Coalition
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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