[Call for Volunteers] Appointment of representative and alternate to the PPSAI IRT

Sun Jun 2 22:13:00 EEST 2024

Tomslin, if we don’t appoint a rep do they still go ahead with the IRT? I
think that is the case and well we will only miss the chance of changing
the outcome if we don’t . Can you please make sure that we can appoint
three representatives, I assume CSG does too. And can the councilors relay
our unhappiness with going forward with this in this manner? Maybe a
statement that can be read out by one of you?

Farzaneh

On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 11:04 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi members,
>
> I haven't heard back on this. So, I am following up to know whether the PC
> should proceed with appointing a representative to the IRT or decline to.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2024, 09:53 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the comments @farzi, @Kathy, @Ponce and @Pedro.
>>
>> @Pedro, you ask an important question, "*are we ... appointing
>> volunteers while we wait for the GNSO council to act or is it better to
>> refuse to nominate someone for now*? ". I wait to hear what our members
>> think.
>>
>> On the GNSO action side of things, Find my a brief of what has transpired
>> in the council since 2019 on this topic below but I'd also like input from @Stephanie
>> Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> who is one of the council
>> liaisons to the PPSAI IRT:
>>
>> - As a result of potential conflicts and/or overlap of work between the
>> PPSAI IRT and GDPR-related work in EPDP on Temp Spec, in March 2019,  ICANN
>> org asked the GNSO Council, “whether ICANN org should continue to delay
>> public comment and implementation of PPSAI or take additional steps pending
>> completion of the EPDP in consultation with the PPSAI Implementation Review
>> Team (IRT).
>> - Council responded to Org saying, “*given the divergent views among
>> Councilors* and considering the respective roles of ICANN Org in leading
>> implementation work of consensus policy recommendations and the PPSAI IRT
>> in overseeing the implementation work, the GNSO *Council considers it
>> appropriate to defer the decision on this issue to ICANN org and the PPSAI
>> IRT*, taking into account the various views of the SOs and ACs.”
>> [emphasis added]
>> - On 2 March 2021, ICANN org delivered the Wave 1.5 Report
>> <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2021-March/024506.html> to the
>> GNSO Council, which included a detailed analysis of the extent to which the
>> EPDP Phase 1 recommendations may require modification to the PPSAI and
>> Translation & Transliteration policies, which are in the policy
>> implementation phase. Following review of the Wave 1.5 Report, the Council
>> observed the following in its 1 July 2021 letter [gnso.icann.org]
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/fouquart-to-lentz-01jul21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!72Ceiu66uyoV0OHChjdR9frkPlBYYXnOJZ5zB8r86XzWBmEUoVf8ybKlInPdH4obWmz6r2jOJd6I6Op0U5lFnsYtCg$>
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>    - *The decision to pause the implementation of the PPSAI and
>>    Translation & Transliteration policy recommendations was a decision that
>>    was made by ICANN org, not the GNSO Council. As such, the Council is of the
>>    view that a decision to restart the implementation activities is not within
>>    the remit of the GNSO Council but for ICANN org* to make.
>>    - *Should any policy issues arise during the implementation of these
>>    policy recommendations, there are processes and procedures that allow the
>>    Council to further consider these*, but the Council is of the view
>>    that the respective Implementation Review Teams (IRTs) will be best placed
>>    to identify such possible issues.
>>    - The Council would also like to point to the letter
>>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/namazi-to-drazek-et-al-05sep19-en.pdf>
>>    that was sent to the Council in September 2019 in which it was noted that
>>    “following the completion of relevant EPDP work, ICANN org will reassess
>>    the existing draft PP materials in consultation with the PPSAI IRT
>>    and determine how to proceed with implementation of the Privacy and Proxy
>>    Services Accreditation Program”. From a Council’s perspective this still
>>    seems a relevant and timely next step.
>>
>> So, as you can see, the council holds the view that if there are issues
>> arising in the policy as drafted during implementation, they are confident
>> that the issues can be addressed with existing processes and procedures.
>>
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 07:06, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Regarding the strategy on how to approach this problem, are we
>>> nonetheless appointing volunteers while we wait for the GNSO council to act
>>> or is it better to refuse to nominate someone for now?
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>>> Researcher
>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
>>> This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received
>>> by mistake, please reply informing it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Em seg., 27 de mai. de 2024 às 11:35, Poncelet Ileleji <
>>> pileleji at jokkolabs.co> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> +1 kathy +1 Farzi, I can't agree more
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 1:46 PM Kathy Kleiman <kathy at dnrc.tech> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  +1 to Farzi, and an Implementation Review Team (run by ICANN Staff)
>>>>> is hardly the place to state that the law has gone in a completely
>>>>> different direction since the original Policy was negotiated.  No one on
>>>>> the ICANN Board or Staff feels empowered to "stop this train" although it
>>>>> is eight years old and badly out of date.
>>>>>
>>>>> *That power rests in the GNSO Council. Can we (NCSG), through our
>>>>> Councilors, call for a legal review of the proposed PPSAI for problems (if
>>>>> any) with its underlying legal foundation in light of the adoption of GDPR
>>>>> and over half the countries of the world now following the European
>>>>> "comprehensive right of privacy"? *
>>>>>
>>>>> Best and asking all of our current Councilors (past and future ones
>>>>> too),
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathy
>>>>> On 5/27/2024 9:26 AM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tomslin,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a bit odd. Didn’t we discuss that most of those policy
>>>>> recommendations were outdated and could not be implemented? Are they hoping
>>>>> that by doing the IRT we can undertake feasibility for the recommendations?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why I did suggest considering time limits for implementing
>>>>> policies. You can’t come up with a policy and then want to enforce it 8
>>>>> years later! Especially in the technology space, that is not possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 5:53 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a request from Org for SG/Cs to appoint a representative and
>>>>>> an alternate to the PPSAI IRT. We (NCSG) had concerns with the IRT going
>>>>>> ahead but as you can see, Org is still going ahead with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NCSG is seeking a representative and an alternate. Please read below
>>>>>> for details of the role of the representative and on what the IRT will be
>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send your EOI to me (mesumbeslin at gmail.com) copying Julf (
>>>>>> julf at julf.com) and Andrea (andrea.glandon at icann.org) no later than
>>>>>> Friday May 31st 2023 for the policy committee's review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>> Subject:        [GNSO-SG-C-Leadership] Appointment of representative
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> alternate to the PPSAI IRT
>>>>>> Date:   Tue, 21 May 2024 19:59:02 +0000
>>>>>> From:   Dennis Chang via GNSO-SG-C-Leadership
>>>>>> <gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org>
>>>>>> Reply-To:       Dennis Chang <dennis.chang at icann.org>
>>>>>> To:     gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org <
>>>>>> gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org>
>>>>>> CC:     Leon Grundmann <leon.grundmann at icann.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following the publication of the Call for Volunteers
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en>,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>> organization (org) is pleased to invite you to nominate a
>>>>>> representative
>>>>>> and an alternate to the Proxy & Privacy Services (PPSAI) policy
>>>>>> Implementation Review Team (IRT).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The implementation process is an ICANN org-driven exercise.  ICANN
>>>>>> org
>>>>>> plans to employ the “Open + Representative Model” piloted on the
>>>>>> Subsequent Procedures IRT and based on the GNSO’s PDP 3.0 model
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/pdp-3-2-working-group-models-10feb20-en.pdf.pdf>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The goal is to provide a structure that allows for efficient
>>>>>> resolution
>>>>>> of issues that may occur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We kindly ask that your group nominate up to one representative and
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> to one alternate to participate in the IRT. Please note, we are
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> each of ICANN’s supporting organizations, advisory committees,
>>>>>> stakeholder groups and constituencies to nominate up to one
>>>>>> representative and one alternate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putting forward a representative and alternate is optional; all
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> of the GNSO Group are welcome to join the IRT as participants. In
>>>>>> fact,
>>>>>> we urge anyone who is interested in being selected as a
>>>>>> representative
>>>>>> to join the IRT as a participant first (call for volunteers
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en>).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you will see below, the roles of participants and representatives
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> nearly identical, with the representatives’ main function being that
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> an information-bridge to their community groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN org plans to host the first IRT call during the ICANN80 public
>>>>>> meeting in June 2024. We do not require the nominees for the first
>>>>>> meeting, but request that you conclude the nomination process and
>>>>>> inform
>>>>>> us of the nominees as soon as feasible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why Have Representatives?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While participants always speak in their own personal capacity,
>>>>>> representatives are expected to speak on behalf of their
>>>>>> constituency,
>>>>>> stakeholder group, supporting organization, or advisory committee.
>>>>>> Therefore, a key part of the representative’s role will be to engage
>>>>>> actively and consistently with their colleagues to ensure they can
>>>>>> convey their group’s viewpoints to the IRT. Please note, that this
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> require an efficient process for representatives to inform and
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>> input from their respective groups. To put this into place will be
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> responsibility of each representative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, when determining the level of consensus in the
>>>>>> circumstance
>>>>>> described in Section V.E. of the IRT Principles & Guidelines
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf>,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the GNSO Liaison, in the Open + Representative model, shall take into
>>>>>> consideration that members who are representatives are expected to
>>>>>> express the viewpoint of their respective community groups and
>>>>>> participants to express their own views. This does not impact each
>>>>>> member’s ability to raise any concern they may have, nor does it
>>>>>> absolve
>>>>>> ICANN org or the GNSO Council liaison from “exercis[ing] all
>>>>>> reasonable
>>>>>> efforts to resolve disagreements” within the IRT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More information can be found on this PPSAI IRT wiki page
>>>>>> <https://community.icann.org/x/lQDSEw>.  We are looking forward to
>>>>>> getting the IRT underway and, please, do not hesitate to reach out
>>>>>> should you have any questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis S. Chang
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GDD Programs Director
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: +1 213 293 7889
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sykpe: dennisSchang
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kathy Kleiman
>>>>> Past President, Domain Name Rights Coalition
>>>>>
>>>>>
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