NCSG Minority report on the EPDP phase 2a final report

[Stephanie E Perrin]

As I said to the policy committee, I am sorry that this is so late.  Our 
last (extra) meeting was on Thursday, and it was really only in the last 
week that it became apparent that if we wanted our arguments on the 
record, we would need to put in a statement. So yes I did send the first 
draft to the policy committee, and no one has commented from that 
group.  We then immediately sent it to the list.

WE have been making the argument about gig workers for several weeks 
now.  These folks would normally be employees, but they are forced into 
contractor roles, largely [in my personal opinion] to avoid the 
employer/employee relationship and all the protections that years of 
labour law have brought to workers.  I have recognized the need to 
distance ourselves from them as our constituents....they cannot be, if 
they are contractors working in a commercial sense, although there are 
some that might not be excluded from our potential membership....it 
depends. Nevertheless, they may have privacy rights, and this is what 
the discussion is about.

WHen we were dealing with the question of who was entitled to privacy 
proxy services, this issue also surfaced, along with the competitive 
issues.  Big corporations often use lawyers to register their domains, 
for a number of reasons, with or without the use of proxy services.  
Small operations, whether commercial or not, do not do this for many 
reasons, cost being one.  The whole issue of disclosure of data, 
personal or not, is a serious competition issue that never seems to 
arise in the discussion.

Kind regards,

Stephanie Perrin

On 2021-09-10 7:28 p.m., farzaneh badii wrote:
> Stephanie
>
> You gave us only a couple of hours to look at this and   i hope the 
> Policy Committee was consulted. Anyhow I think you should (if you 
> really wanna send this statement) delete this paragraph it is 
> absolutely unrelated to the core of the issue:
>
> We have also spoken for the rights of gig workers, sole contractors, 
> and independent artists, sales and tradespeople, even though we are 
> explicitly chartered to represent the non-commercial stakeholders.  
> Nobody else is representing these folks, whose numbers are growing 
> apace as employment patterns morph with the global Internet economy.  
> This gap speaks tellingly of the emphasis on big business, and the 
> lack of focus on competitive issues which are exacerbated by DNS 
> policy.  We hope that the contracted parties will address the rights 
> of these individuals, and be careful to ensure that they are treated 
> fairly and with due respect for privacy norms when this policy is 
> implemented.
>
>
> On Friday, September 10, 2021, Stephanie E Perrin 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>
>     OK folks, Manju and I like the new draft, I put a line or two in
>     to acknowledge Milton's point (with which I agree) and off it goes
>     before the deadline hits.
>
>     Thanks for your participation, it is always much appreciated!
>
>     Stephanie Perrin and Man-ju Chen
>
>     On 2021-09-10 4:21 p.m., Stephanie E Perrin wrote:
>>
>>     I just edited the Google doc to reflect some of the comments.  We
>>     need to wrap this up guys.
>>
>>     cheers Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>
>>     On 2021-09-10 9:51 a.m., Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>>     Hello all,
>>>
>>>     First of all, thanks @Stephanie Perrin
>>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> and @陳曼茹 Manju Chen
>>>     <mailto:manju at nii.org.tw> for the draft. Although I know we are
>>>     on a tight deadline i took the liberty of transforming the word
>>>     doc into a google docs to facilitate the commenting process - if
>>>     theres any.
>>>
>>>     Should we set a deadline for comments ?
>>>
>>>     link is here:
>>>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QJO4R0PNUTj3MDYMbGmjXpAbjTxHzfAl/edit
>>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QJO4R0PNUTj3MDYMbGmjXpAbjTxHzfAl/edit>
>>>
>>>     best,
>>>     Bruna
>>>
>>>     On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 12:27 AM Stephanie E Perrin
>>>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>>         Man-ju Chen and I have been working on a proposed minority
>>>         statement for
>>>         the final report of the EPDP phase 2a group.  We have met
>>>         over the last
>>>         9 months, the final meeting was last Thursday, and since it
>>>         appears that
>>>         most SGs and ACs are drafting minority statements to
>>>         reinforce their
>>>         views, we have crafted a quick two page brief that
>>>         reiterates many of
>>>         the points we have been trying to make, that are not
>>>         particularly
>>>         visible in the final report.  We can of course comment
>>>         publicly, but
>>>         that is not as visible.
>>>
>>>         We are on deadline for tomorrow, I do apologize for the last
>>>         minute
>>>         notice but work has been quite hectic on this committee.
>>>         Your comments
>>>         are welcome.
>>>
>>>         Kind regards,
>>>
>>>         Stephanie Perrin and Man-ju Chen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>     /*
>>>
>>>     Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>>>     <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>>
>>>     Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>     Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>>     <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>     Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>     Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>     bruna.martinsantos
>>>     bruna at dataprivacybr.org <mailto:bruna at dataprivacybr.org> and
>>>     bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Farzaneh
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