NCSG Minority report on the EPDP phase 2a final report

[farzaneh badii]

You should have submitted it in your own capacity. This is not an NCSG
statement unless the PC approves it.

Farzaneh


On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 7:52 PM Stephanie E Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> As I said to the policy committee, I am sorry that this is so late.  Our
> last (extra) meeting was on Thursday, and it was really only in the last
> week that it became apparent that if we wanted our arguments on the record,
> we would need to put in a statement.  So yes I did send the first draft to
> the policy committee, and no one has commented from that group.  We then
> immediately sent it to the list.
>
> WE have been making the argument about gig workers for several weeks now.
> These folks would normally be employees, but they are forced into
> contractor roles, largely [in my personal opinion] to avoid the
> employer/employee relationship and all the protections that years of labour
> law have brought to workers.  I have recognized the need to distance
> ourselves from them as our constituents....they cannot be, if they are
> contractors working in a commercial sense, although there are some that
> might not be excluded from our potential membership....it depends.
> Nevertheless, they may have privacy rights, and this is what the discussion
> is about.
>
> WHen we were dealing with the question of who was entitled to privacy
> proxy services, this issue also surfaced, along with the competitive
> issues.  Big corporations often use lawyers to register their domains, for
> a number of reasons, with or without the use of proxy services.  Small
> operations, whether commercial or not, do not do this for many reasons,
> cost being one.  The whole issue of disclosure of data, personal or not, is
> a serious competition issue that never seems to arise in the discussion.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Stephanie Perrin
> On 2021-09-10 7:28 p.m., farzaneh badii wrote:
>
> Stephanie
>
> You gave us only a couple of hours to look at this and   i hope the Policy
> Committee was consulted. Anyhow I think you should (if you really wanna
> send this statement) delete this paragraph it is absolutely unrelated to
> the core of the issue:
>
> We have also spoken for the rights of gig workers, sole contractors, and
> independent artists, sales and tradespeople, even though we are
> explicitly chartered to represent the non-commercial stakeholders.
> Nobody else is representing these folks, whose numbers are growing apace
> as employment patterns morph with the global Internet economy.  This gap
> speaks tellingly of the emphasis on big business, and the lack of focus on
> competitive issues which are exacerbated by DNS policy.  We hope that the
> contracted parties will address the rights of these individuals, and be
> careful to ensure that they are treated fairly and with due respect for
> privacy norms when this policy is implemented.
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 10, 2021, Stephanie E Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> OK folks, Manju and I like the new draft, I put a line or two in to
>> acknowledge Milton's point (with which I agree) and off it goes before the
>> deadline hits.
>>
>> Thanks for your participation, it is always much appreciated!
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin and Man-ju Chen
>> On 2021-09-10 4:21 p.m., Stephanie E Perrin wrote:
>>
>> I just edited the Google doc to reflect some of the comments.  We need to
>> wrap this up guys.
>>
>> cheers Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>
>> On 2021-09-10 9:51 a.m., Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> First of all, thanks @Stephanie Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> and @陳曼茹 Manju Chen
>> <manju at nii.org.tw> for the draft. Although I know we are on a tight
>> deadline i took the liberty of transforming the word doc into a google docs
>> to facilitate the commenting process - if theres any.
>>
>> Should we set a deadline for comments ?
>>
>> link is here:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QJO4R0PNUTj3MDYMbGmjXpAbjTxHzfAl/edit
>>
>> best,
>> Bruna
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 12:27 AM Stephanie E Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> Man-ju Chen and I have been working on a proposed minority statement for
>>> the final report of the EPDP phase 2a group.  We have met over the last
>>> 9 months, the final meeting was last Thursday, and since it appears that
>>> most SGs and ACs are drafting minority statements to reinforce their
>>> views, we have crafted a quick two page brief that reiterates many of
>>> the points we have been trying to make, that are not particularly
>>> visible in the final report.  We can of course comment publicly, but
>>> that is not as visible.
>>>
>>> We are on deadline for tomorrow, I do apologize for the last minute
>>> notice but work has been quite hectic on this committee. Your comments
>>> are welcome.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin and Man-ju Chen
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos  *
>>
>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>
>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>> bruna.martinsantos
>> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>
>>
>
> --
> Farzaneh
>
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