Recordings of NCSG Policy Call | Tuesday 16 April 2019 at 1200 UTC =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=93_?=1400 UTC
Liz Orembo
lizorembo at GMAIL.COM
Tue Apr 16 23:09:52 EEST 2019
Thank you Rafik.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 02:31 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
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> please find the recordings of the last NCSG Policy call.
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> Best regards,
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> Rafik
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> De : Maria Otanes
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> Hi Rafik,
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> Please find chat attached, attendance and AC recording below.
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> *Attendance*: Amr Elsadr, Antonella Perini, Avri Doria, Ayden Férdeline,
> Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bukola Oronti, Claire Craig, Collin Kurre, Desara
> Dushi, Elsa Saade, Farell, GZ Kabir, Juan Manuel Rojas, Julf Helsingius,
> Katambi Joan, Kathy Kleiman, Martin Silva Valent, Michael Karanicolas,
> Mili, Olga Kyryliuk, Pascal Bekono, Rafik Dammak, Shah Rahman, Stefan
> Filipovic, Stephanie Perrin, Taiwo Peter Akinremi, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin
> Samme-Nlar, Tuhaise, Robert, Vrikson Acosta, Zhou Heng
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> *Staff*: Ria Otanes
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> *AC Recording*: https://participate.icann.org/p53yys4zkpl/
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> Maria Otanes:Welcome to the NCSG Policy Call on Tuesday, 16 April 2019
> at 12:00 UTC
> Ayden Férdeline:Hi all
> Vrikson Acosta:Hello everyone ... I see familiar faces from Kobe :)
> Olga Kyryliuk:Hi Everyone
> Tatiana Tropina:hi all
> Mili:hello everyone
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Hi all
> Antonella Perini:hi everyone!
> Shah Rahman:Hi Everyone
> Julf Helsingius:It is often the same :)
> Martin Silva Valent:hi
> Bukola Oronti:Hello everyone
> Martin Silva Valent:yees
> Amr Elsadr:Can hear you fine.
> Olga Kyryliuk:yes
> Julf Helsingius:loud and clear
> Amr Elsadr:@Tatiana: Right. The CCT Review feeds in to the sub pro PDP.
> katambi Joan:hi everyone
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Hi Joan!
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Excellent points to raise AMr
> Amr Elsadr:From GAC Communique: The GAC advises the Board to: i. Take
> necessary steps to ensure that the GNSO EPDP on the Temporary Specification
> for gTLD Registration Data institutes concrete milestones, progress reports
> and an expeditious timeline, similar to Phase 1, for concluding Phase 2
> activities;
> Amr Elsadr:GNSO Response: As manager of the PDP process the GNSO Council
> is very aware of the work being conducted within the ePDP. (i) We are
> conscious of the workload involved with phase 1 and our respective groups
> have committed to working through phase 2 in a timely fashion. (ii) The
> GNSO Council has discussed and reconfirmed the scope of the Phase 2, as
> provided in the EPDP Charter.
> Julf Helsingius:Problem is that the council doersn't have a strong
> position, leaving it to the WG leadership
> Amr Elsadr:@Julf: Would have been interesting to include that in the
> GNSO response. :-)
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:The majority in Council has a strong
> position.
> Julf Helsingius:We couldn't have agreed in the drafting team
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:We and the Contracted parties agree
> on this.
> Amr Elsadr:I'd characterize the response as ambiguous, more than
> neutral. :-)
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:The problem is that it sets us up for
> interminable wrangling on the EPDP. And small groups dashing on ahead.
> Julf Helsingius:It is a discussion that has to happen at the council
> level, not drafting team
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Tatiana. Was looking for the context you gave, not a
> definitive answer. :-)
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr :) Julf, yes
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Suggest you get in there and make a
> strong statement
> Julf Helsingius:Everything was already said :)
> Tatiana Tropina:BTW, Julf, I hope I didn't take over your intervention -
> so swamped here, didn't realise that you were on the call and could
> probably give a much better overview of this work on GAC communique
> Rafik Dammak:yes
> Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: I don't believe the response needs to be edited.
> It's ambiguity relieves the GNSO and the EPDP Team of any commitments, so
> I'm ok with it. Just thought it a little strange not to address the
> communique directly, which is the purpose of the GNSO response, no?
> Julf Helsingius:Tatiana: you did a good job, I had an AC hangup at that
> point
> Juan Manuel Rojas:Hi all
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I guess so (agree with you)
> Amr Elsadr:Quite a few contracted parties on the TSG, no?
> Julf Helsingius:Amr: we were under time pressure, and Paul McGrady would
> never have agreed
> Tatiana Tropina:Julf, yup. sigh.
> Tatiana Tropina:it was a task on "how to say something nice to say
> nothing and leave a room for maneuvre"
> Julf Helsingius:Fortunately I am good at not saying anything :)
> Tatiana Tropina::))))
> Elsa Saade:hey all, sorry I’m late, running after trains
> Ayden Férdeline:they are not inaccurate
> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, all good, we are approaching IGO INGO
> Tatiana Tropina:which you might love to talk about!
> Tatiana Tropina::P
> Ayden Férdeline:i have suddenly lost audio, not sure if othershave
> Tatiana Tropina:Ayden on the phone bridge audio is fine
> Ayden Férdeline:hmm i am on the phone bridge
> Julf Helsingius:Ayden: I had that earlier, had to restart AC
> Tatiana Tropina:then it's really hmmm, works perfectly ...
> Ayden Férdeline:dialing in again
> Maria Otanes:I'm on the phone bridge as well and have not lost audio.
> Could you please try dialing back in?
> Tatiana Tropina:ah okay I had a dial out from AC (if it makes any
> difference)
> Maria Otanes:thank you. please let me know if you're still having audio
> issues
> Elsa Saade:tanya, i probably won’t be able to speak at all!! but here to
> listen and chat only unfortunately. it’s a bad time for me!
> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, oh. xx
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Which recommendation is it that is
> inaccurate?
> Amr Elsadr:I think it was rec#16
> Amr Elsadr:On Geo Distinction.
> Amr Elsadr:The GNSO Council report says that the NCSG opposed this
> recommendation.
> Amr Elsadr:Sorry, but what agenda are we following on this call?
> Amr Elsadr:Not the Council agenda, right?
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Karklins
> Elsa Saade:can we have scrolling control Maryam?
> Maria Otanes:the council agenda is now scrollable
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Also Karklins is supposed to be chair
> of standing committee of WIPO. Is that true?
> Elsa Saade:my bad, thanks!!
> Amr Elsadr:They were both rather poor choices. Pretty messed up that we
> ended up with Karklins.
> Ayden Férdeline:Chair of WIPO General Assembly
> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: I believe so.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I don't understand why Chris Lahatte
> is considered a bad candidate
> Amr Elsadr:Far from perfect.
> Ayden Férdeline:I have just re-reviewed the Council's Recommendations
> Report on EPDP and I continue to disagree with the assertion that our
> position is misrepresented.
> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Chris was also a terrible candidate. Don't know
> that he has the faintest clue about GNSO policy development, or gTLDs.
> Amr Elsadr:Can't think of any successful stories for him at ICANN to
> support his candidacy.
> Amr Elsadr:I'd actually probably pick Karklins over La Hatte.
> Martin Silva Valent:but why one over the other? besides not habing a 3rd
> option
> Martin Silva Valent:having^
> Amr Elsadr:They were the only two options, Martin. Nobody else applied.
> Martin Silva Valent:I know, but why the ssc chose one over the other
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:when faced with a situation like
> that, go to plan B. Plan B is to hire a mediator to chair.
> Amr Elsadr:@Martin: Aaah. If you get an answer to that question, please
> share it. :-)
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we are now set up to fail, folks
> Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie
> Collin Kurre:Hi all, sorry for joining late
> Amr Elsadr:Hey there, Collin.
> Kathy Kleiman:Karlins is not a friend of GNSO or NCSG
> Kathy Kleiman:Very much in favor of strong GAC rights
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Thanks Kathy, I have not read
> everything he said and wrote during that period but I read enough to reach
> that conclusion!
> Amr Elsadr:Keeping Karklins honest will probably be a ton of work in
> itself.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Between that and the WIPO
> connection? we are dead.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I do not know the man, he could be a
> wonderful person, but his former positions on matters ought to have ruled
> him out
> Kathy Kleiman:We shouldnp't have to fight the chair at the outset
> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: Why specifically comms between leadership and NCSG?
> Amr Elsadr:What about the rest of the Council?
> Kathy Kleiman:Who was the third - Karklins, Chris, ?
> Ayden Férdeline: it is not my place to speak on behalf of other GNSO
> stakeholder groups
> Elsa Saade:do we have trust in the process of letting a subjective chair
> who makes biased decisions go?
> Tatiana Tropina:Kathy, no third
> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No third candidate.
> Ayden Férdeline:i can only note that communication between leadership
> and the NCSG is non-existent
> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: It should be no more and no less than comms with any
> other group.
> Kathy Kleiman:tx - wish we had a third.
> Ayden Férdeline:i have lost audio again
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:lost sound
> Kathy Kleiman:Did we just lose Rafik?
> Collin Kurre:I've lost audio as well
> Tatiana Tropina:me too
> Amr Elsadr:I lost audio too.
> Elsa Saade: me too
> Olga Kyryliuk:me too
> Julf Helsingius:Just lost audio -
> Amr Elsadr:Ah..., it's Rafik's audio.
> katambi Joan:me too
> Ayden Férdeline:@amr - it shouldn't be but it is
> Ayden Férdeline:in my assessment
> Martin Silva Valent:then should we ask for this to be removed of the
> consent agenda before it goes to voting?
> Pascal Bekono:I think that we can think about frequent trainings
> sessions for applicants. especially concerning their expectations
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I would appreciate it if our
> councillors could raise the matter of Karklins neutrality.
> Elsa Saade:i think since we know Karklins isnt the good option, we keep
> an eye out, and we hold him accountable?
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:At the council meeting
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:How exactly can we hold him
> accountable? He is going to agree procedurally to a small group option,
> where we will be outnumbered. He will cut us off when speaking
> Elsa Saade:if we trust the process, that is
> Ayden Férdeline:yes, i agree we should separate the roles
> Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie --
> Kathy Kleiman:It's difficult for members to hold Chairs accountable.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we already have Goran approving a
> parallel process in the TSG where we were not represented.
> Elsa Saade:as chair, he should not! no? procedurally
> Kathy Kleiman:My memory of Karklins is that he was not a consenss
> builder - he was a GAC builder
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:That is what I pulled from the
> records. NEarly wrote a whole chapter on the expansion of the GAC role....
> Ayden Férdeline:we cannot hold Karklins accountable
> Kathy Kleiman:Are thre commitments we can have him make?
> Elsa Saade:we can say that we are very wary about the role Karklins will
> play. we can proceed with him in good faith, but if at any point, he shows
> bias leading to bypassing ncsg, the.n we’ll make a case for it loud and
> clear
> Kathy Kleiman:Any type of checklist we can impose now - prior agreements
> - and if he violates, he has to leave?
> Kathy Kleiman:It's harsh, but it's an intermediary position
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Keep an eye out for the new
> bahavioural guidelines that the OMbudsman will be shaking at us, it is
> intended to empower Chairs.
> Elsa Saade:pdp 3.0 could be one way to have leverage
> Amr Elsadr:The Council liaison doesn't necessarily have to be a
> member/alternate of the EPDP Team.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Read those guidelines everybody.
> They are meant to control behaviour of committee members.
> Ayden Férdeline:sounds troubling
> Kathy Kleiman:sigh
> Elsa Saade:oh interesting
> Kathy Kleiman:we only need behaviorial guidelines for truly outlier
> actions
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I understand that there have been
> situations that prompted their development, but this one is in the
> be-careful-waht- you-ask-for bucket
> Kathy Kleiman:Aren't all members of the EPDP entitled to a sense of
> security - that their views will be heard and their work will be valued?
> Amr Elsadr:I'd prefer a small leadership team than a large one.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:All children have the right to live
> in a happy home, but that does not stop domestic vilence
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:(okay maybe that example is a bit
> extreme....)
> Amr Elsadr:There are no plans to ammend the charter at all.
> Amr Elsadr:Why would a change to the charter be required?
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:having the second candidate as a vice
> hchair would make me a lot happier
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, as long as we can have several vice chairs without
> amending the charter it's good
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I hope NOT.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Then we could leave the job of
> controlling bias in the chair to the vice chair.
> Amr Elsadr:Several VCs can be messy. And I don't believe there is any
> need to change the charter anyway.
> Tatiana Tropina:ah okay good, Rafik. Because I do believe that in this
> case it's not a council matter it's EPDP matter
> Kathy Kleiman:What about Chris as Co-Chair?
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:So can our councillors raise that
> option, if we fail to get a change in Chair selection?
> Tatiana Tropina:but that's what I was trying to say, if it doesn't
> concern the charter than it's EPDP level
> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: Please NO!! :D
> Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - Karklins is not a process guy. He's a dictator
> Kathy Kleiman:Chris is a t least a process guy...
> Elsa Saade:rafik, we did not really get to consensus! that worries me
> Ayden Férdeline:why didn't our member on Council leadership consult with
> us?
> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: And my understanding is that he didn't apply
> until after the extension to the deadline.
> Kathy Kleiman:@Amr, I've seen Chris operate publicliy and privately. At
> least he is fair.
> Tatiana Tropina:My question is what are we going to get strategically
> from standing against the guy.
> Tatiana Tropina:except him hating us even more at the end if we don't
> have enough support
> Tatiana Tropina:I guess we can flag unhappiness
> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: If Karklins gives us trouble, I (and others, I
> suspect) will not make his job easy for him. I'd prefer to wait and see how
> he works out, then react appropriately.
> Ayden Férdeline:@Tatiana - yes, that's the fear . - we really
> can'toppose him now, we have to rubber stamp him because of the position we
> have been put in
> Tatiana Tropina:I much prefer Chris who is a professional mediator
> Elsa Saade:i think we. should really take advantage of the fact that
> procedures are being built by gnso to hold chairs accountable
> Kathy Kleiman:But we could request a co-chair or additional vice chair
> Amr Elsadr:I don't believe that Karklins or La Hatte are ideal chair
> options for any PDP, let alone one as complex as this one.
> Tatiana Tropina:Ayden, I don't want to rubber stamp anyone. I was one of
> the first raising unhappiness... I am wondering what we can do
> strategically.
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, am with you, except that I'd prefer a professinal
> mediator to GAC/WIPO guy
> Ayden Férdeline:i would also like us to re-assess Council leadership. if
> communication isn't going to improve, and it isn't because it has been
> atrocious for a year now, it is time for us to investigate changing it
> Amr Elsadr:There's a WIPO guy co-chairing the RPMs PDP. :-)
> Kathy Kleiman:Is Karklins also working for WIPO?
> Ayden Férdeline:Karklins is the chair of WIPO's General Assembly
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, the RPM WIPO guy is fine :) he has nice co-chairs
> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No, but he chairs the WIPO GA at the UN.
> Kathy Kleiman:WIPO wants accessa nd WIPO works for IPC
> Ayden Férdeline:i think Chris as co-chair is the only real option we can
> consider now
> Amr Elsadr:I fail to see how that is a real option.
> Tatiana Tropina:Can we realistically get CPH supporting us on co chair
> or whatever option
> Tatiana Tropina:till Thursday
> Kathy Kleiman:Brian Beckham is very nice, but he also meets regularly
> withIPC and no other SGs
> Kathy Kleiman:(RPM WG)
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:WIPO would be a good choice on RPMs.
> NOt on compliance with GDPR.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I cannot believe I am having to argue
> about this.
> Kathy Kleiman:I can see not wanting to vote against Karklins directly,
> but the idea of having co-chairs might help -- a lot
> Elsa Saade:it is a bad situation for sure, but what can be done at the
> moment?
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Amr we cannot let process defeat us.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Spoken by a former bureaucrat. You
> have to know when you are about to be hung on your own process
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:they should not have announced the
> winner prior to discussion at Council.
> Ayden Férdeline:completely agree Stephanie
> Kathy Kleiman:@Stephanie - agreed.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:If that does not indicate the
> favoured position I don't know what does....That in itself is an abuse of
> process.
> Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - we don't have access to people who will work that
> many hours as a leader for free
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Check the two letters that went to
> the candidates.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Chris was told thanks for
> applying....Karklins was told he was leader subject to vote at council
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I agree with you. I am very very unhappy with the
> WIPO guy, but I just don't see how voting him down will benefit us and see
> how it will damage
> Kathy Kleiman:Where is CPH?
> Tatiana Tropina:if necessary, I will vote against him and raise my
> concerns. But I do not see how we can do anything without CPH support and
> am not sure we have it
> Amr Elsadr:Chris annonced on FB that he applied for the job early on in
> the process (before the deadline extension).
> Elsa Saade:are we the only unhappy ones?
> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, we are the only unhappy and loud
> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: check the GNSO WG Guidelines.
> Rafik Dammak:appeal 3.7
> Kathy Kleiman:That's interesting that CPH is not raising concerns...
> Kathy Kleiman:I would think they would have similar issues to NCSG
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I believe that the contracted parties
> are prepared to support this person. They have not objected. They are
> getting what they want through the TSG perhaps??
> Kathy Kleiman:But they probably don't remember Karklins...
> Elsa Saade:might be worthwhile reaching out
> Kathy Kleiman:+1
> Kathy Kleiman:and to see if they would like Chris as a Co-Chair or Vice
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I certainly raised my objections on
> the skype coordination channel.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Make sure you specify Chris Lahatte,
> or we will get Chris Disspain....
> Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Hi all
> Kathy Kleiman::-)
> Elsa Saade:and Steph was there no reaction?
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:not really
> Elsa Saade:interesting
> Amr Elsadr:Contracted Parties seem to be ok with Karklins being
> appointed.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Elliot is now working with Steve del
> Bianco on the trust model...ie who accredits
> Amr Elsadr:..., or at least willing to give him a try before passing
> judgment. Not sure what they are basing their reasoning on.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:problem will be what to do if I am
> correct AMr.
> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I believe irrespective of who the chair is
> , it is good we know the outlook of the chair...we can be determine to
> maintain our interest all through the process.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:None of them were around when
> Karklins was GAC chair, nor are they expert on govt overreach
> Amr Elsadr:If WE are correct, and he turns out to be a difficult Chair,
> it'll mean a lot more work on our part in terms of working with/against him.
> Elsa Saade:yea i think if we hold back it could be interpreted as bad
> faith
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:what do you mean hold back? I don't
> think objecting to the lack of neutrality of a chair is showing bad faith.
> Elsa Saade:by holding back i mean voting no without a suggesion
> Elsa Saade:suggestion*
> Amr Elsadr:I had no problem with how reporting to the Council was done
> for phase 1. I believe all GNSO SGs/Cs had all the info they needed, either
> via the liaison, or their reps on the EPDP Team.
> Elsa Saade:trying to understand CPH’s silence on Karklins
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Welll I think the order of procedures
> is as follows: 1 object to the lack of neutrality of the Chair, on WIPO and
> former GAC chair grounds. Demand an explanation of how he has committed to
> neutrality whilst maintaining his role at WIPO.
> Ayden Férdeline:so glad you were happy with the reporting Amr!
> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: So I'm happy, and you're glad. :-)
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:2. Ask for a control meausre in the
> event that council insists on his selection. POint out the contempt for
> council inherent in sending option 2 candidate away prior to the vote , or
> indeed even announcing prior to the Council discussion.
> Elsa Saade:honestly? i’ve been incessantly talking about this on
> council. im not entirely sure how long i can hold my breath on this
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:3. Suggest some workarounds....chris
> as vice chair, David from the Mediation team as vice chair, etc. Choose
> another vice chair, I would be happy to be vice chair.
> Elsa Saade:and i’ve asked over and over again for us to post our reasons
> in detail for why we’re making such a decision
> Rafik Dammak:yes
> Elsa Saade:i dont think that happened really
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:yes
> Elsa Saade:<question> what kind of precedent are we setting by approving
> this recommendation? <endquestion>
> Kathy Kleiman:other options sound good!
> Elsa Saade:id like to know ur thoughts folks
> Kathy Kleiman:has anyone reached out to you?
> Kathy Kleiman:(NCSG?)
> Martin Silva Valent:nice to know I wasn't that crazy to oppose to this !
> Elsa Saade:wish i could speak
> Elsa Saade: but ill send thoughts on the list
> Elsa Saade:i think Amr raised very interesting questions about this in
> Kobe (IDNs)
> Elsa Saade:i think there should be a council liaison normally
> Elsa Saade:that is not procedural though
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we are not going to get to the
> discussion on membership on the GNSO drafting team for IANA transition
> ....we need someone who was on the CCWG to join. I do not have sufficient
> background to be effective, am just holding the fort.
> Kathy Kleiman:Hi All-- I have to run. Tx for the meeting.
> Kathy Kleiman:Quicck note that SubPro is now in final negotiation of key
> rules for New gTLDs.
> Kathy Kleiman:And we need more people and more voices to defend our
> positions.
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:We also need to appoint Julf as our
> voting member on the Auction proceeds, requires a formal notification to
> give him the vote.
> Kathy Kleiman:We worked really hard on our comments, many of which are
> minority. They will help protect future new registries from all over the
> world. If we can defend them :-)
> Elsa Saade:good luck Amr!
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Elsa. I don't plan on working too hard on the IRT.
> Just keep an eye on things, and only intervene if/when I believe there
> might be problems. Hopefully, there won't be any.
> Rafik Dammak:most of the work in implementation is done by staff but the
> IRT members are there to monitor ensure that doesnt derail from the
> apporved policy recommendation
> Elsa Saade:yea I’ve recently gone through IRT procedures and process
> Elsa Saade:ah yes!
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:the problem on this one will be
> implementing access prior to deciding the policy
> Elsa Saade:<comment> i think Kathy mentioned New gTLD SubPro earlier in
> the chat - and the need for our comments to be taken into consideration
> <endcomment>
> Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: Sure. Thanks.
> Amr Elsadr:Anybody have any feedback on a DPIA being flagged at this
> point?
> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Lookin' at you!! ;-)
> Elsa Saade:there has been some talk about another public comment round
> but its not for sure
> Rafik Dammak:thanks Elsa
> Amr Elsadr:Lost Stephanie's audio.
> Elsa Saade:same
> Elsa Saade:we always mention how much we think HIT sessions are not
> useful
> Elsa Saade:especially in policy meetings
> Tatiana Tropina:Let me think a bit
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:exactly Fik, this is the problem
> Pascal Bekono:thanks Stephanie
> Julf Helsingius:Attendance numbers have been very low
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:no wonder, they have been spinning in
> circles for over a year now...
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:has it been two years?
> Julf Helsingius:feels like forever
> Elsa Saade:thanks Rafik
> Elsa Saade:bye all - and let’s follow up on the list
> Bukola Oronti:Thanks All
> Olga Kyryliuk:Thanks Rafik and all
> Juan Manuel Rojas:Thanls all
> Juan Manuel Rojas:*Thanks
> Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Thanks
> Pascal Bekono:Many Thanks Rafik, I will email you
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
> Julf Helsingius:Thanks and bye!
> Tatiana Tropina:thanks Rafik and all
> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):thank you all
> Farell:Bye all
> avri doria:bye, thanks
>
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