Recordings of NCSG Policy Call | Tuesday 16 April 2019 at 1200 UTC =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=93_?=1400 UTC
Thato Mfikwe
thatomfikwe at GMAIL.COM
Wed Apr 17 01:44:40 EEST 2019
Thanks for sharing, unfortunately, I could not attend because I have been
ill in the past 5 days, will catch up wit the recording.
Thato Mfikwe.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Rafik.
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> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 02:31 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
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>> please find the recordings of the last NCSG Policy call.
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>> Best regards,
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>> Rafik
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> De : Maria Otanes
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>> Hi Rafik,
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>> Please find chat attached, attendance and AC recording below.
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>> *Attendance*: Amr Elsadr, Antonella Perini, Avri Doria, Ayden Férdeline,
>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bukola Oronti, Claire Craig, Collin Kurre, Desara
>> Dushi, Elsa Saade, Farell, GZ Kabir, Juan Manuel Rojas, Julf Helsingius,
>> Katambi Joan, Kathy Kleiman, Martin Silva Valent, Michael Karanicolas,
>> Mili, Olga Kyryliuk, Pascal Bekono, Rafik Dammak, Shah Rahman, Stefan
>> Filipovic, Stephanie Perrin, Taiwo Peter Akinremi, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin
>> Samme-Nlar, Tuhaise, Robert, Vrikson Acosta, Zhou Heng
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>> *Staff*: Ria Otanes
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>> *AC Recording*: https://participate.icann.org/p53yys4zkpl/
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>> Best,
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>> Ria
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>> _______________________________________________________________________________________________
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>> *Ria Otanes*
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>> Secretariat Operations Coordinator
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>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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>> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:02:16 +0000
>> Subject: [Ext] Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Non Commercial
>> Stakeholder Group
>> Maria Otanes:Welcome to the NCSG Policy Call on Tuesday, 16 April 2019
>> at 12:00 UTC
>> Ayden Férdeline:Hi all
>> Vrikson Acosta:Hello everyone ... I see familiar faces from Kobe :)
>> Olga Kyryliuk:Hi Everyone
>> Tatiana Tropina:hi all
>> Mili:hello everyone
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Hi all
>> Antonella Perini:hi everyone!
>> Shah Rahman:Hi Everyone
>> Julf Helsingius:It is often the same :)
>> Martin Silva Valent:hi
>> Bukola Oronti:Hello everyone
>> Martin Silva Valent:yees
>> Amr Elsadr:Can hear you fine.
>> Olga Kyryliuk:yes
>> Julf Helsingius:loud and clear
>> Amr Elsadr:@Tatiana: Right. The CCT Review feeds in to the sub pro PDP.
>> katambi Joan:hi everyone
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Hi Joan!
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Excellent points to raise AMr
>> Amr Elsadr:From GAC Communique: The GAC advises the Board to: i. Take
>> necessary steps to ensure that the GNSO EPDP on the Temporary Specification
>> for gTLD Registration Data institutes concrete milestones, progress reports
>> and an expeditious timeline, similar to Phase 1, for concluding Phase 2
>> activities;
>> Amr Elsadr:GNSO Response: As manager of the PDP process the GNSO
>> Council is very aware of the work being conducted within the ePDP. (i) We
>> are conscious of the workload involved with phase 1 and our respective
>> groups have committed to working through phase 2 in a timely fashion. (ii)
>> The GNSO Council has discussed and reconfirmed the scope of the Phase 2, as
>> provided in the EPDP Charter.
>> Julf Helsingius:Problem is that the council doersn't have a strong
>> position, leaving it to the WG leadership
>> Amr Elsadr:@Julf: Would have been interesting to include that in the
>> GNSO response. :-)
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:The majority in Council has a strong
>> position.
>> Julf Helsingius:We couldn't have agreed in the drafting team
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:We and the Contracted parties agree
>> on this.
>> Amr Elsadr:I'd characterize the response as ambiguous, more than
>> neutral. :-)
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:The problem is that it sets us up
>> for interminable wrangling on the EPDP. And small groups dashing on ahead.
>> Julf Helsingius:It is a discussion that has to happen at the council
>> level, not drafting team
>> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Tatiana. Was looking for the context you gave, not a
>> definitive answer. :-)
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr :) Julf, yes
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Suggest you get in there and make a
>> strong statement
>> Julf Helsingius:Everything was already said :)
>> Tatiana Tropina:BTW, Julf, I hope I didn't take over your intervention
>> - so swamped here, didn't realise that you were on the call and could
>> probably give a much better overview of this work on GAC communique
>> Rafik Dammak:yes
>> Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: I don't believe the response needs to be edited.
>> It's ambiguity relieves the GNSO and the EPDP Team of any commitments, so
>> I'm ok with it. Just thought it a little strange not to address the
>> communique directly, which is the purpose of the GNSO response, no?
>> Julf Helsingius:Tatiana: you did a good job, I had an AC hangup at that
>> point
>> Juan Manuel Rojas:Hi all
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I guess so (agree with you)
>> Amr Elsadr:Quite a few contracted parties on the TSG, no?
>> Julf Helsingius:Amr: we were under time pressure, and Paul McGrady
>> would never have agreed
>> Tatiana Tropina:Julf, yup. sigh.
>> Tatiana Tropina:it was a task on "how to say something nice to say
>> nothing and leave a room for maneuvre"
>> Julf Helsingius:Fortunately I am good at not saying anything :)
>> Tatiana Tropina::))))
>> Elsa Saade:hey all, sorry I’m late, running after trains
>> Ayden Férdeline:they are not inaccurate
>> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, all good, we are approaching IGO INGO
>> Tatiana Tropina:which you might love to talk about!
>> Tatiana Tropina::P
>> Ayden Férdeline:i have suddenly lost audio, not sure if othershave
>> Tatiana Tropina:Ayden on the phone bridge audio is fine
>> Ayden Férdeline:hmm i am on the phone bridge
>> Julf Helsingius:Ayden: I had that earlier, had to restart AC
>> Tatiana Tropina:then it's really hmmm, works perfectly ...
>> Ayden Férdeline:dialing in again
>> Maria Otanes:I'm on the phone bridge as well and have not lost audio.
>> Could you please try dialing back in?
>> Tatiana Tropina:ah okay I had a dial out from AC (if it makes any
>> difference)
>> Maria Otanes:thank you. please let me know if you're still having audio
>> issues
>> Elsa Saade:tanya, i probably won’t be able to speak at all!! but here
>> to listen and chat only unfortunately. it’s a bad time for me!
>> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, oh. xx
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Which recommendation is it that is
>> inaccurate?
>> Amr Elsadr:I think it was rec#16
>> Amr Elsadr:On Geo Distinction.
>> Amr Elsadr:The GNSO Council report says that the NCSG opposed this
>> recommendation.
>> Amr Elsadr:Sorry, but what agenda are we following on this call?
>> Amr Elsadr:Not the Council agenda, right?
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Karklins
>> Elsa Saade:can we have scrolling control Maryam?
>> Maria Otanes:the council agenda is now scrollable
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Also Karklins is supposed to be
>> chair of standing committee of WIPO. Is that true?
>> Elsa Saade:my bad, thanks!!
>> Amr Elsadr:They were both rather poor choices. Pretty messed up that we
>> ended up with Karklins.
>> Ayden Férdeline:Chair of WIPO General Assembly
>> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: I believe so.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I don't understand why Chris Lahatte
>> is considered a bad candidate
>> Amr Elsadr:Far from perfect.
>> Ayden Férdeline:I have just re-reviewed the Council's Recommendations
>> Report on EPDP and I continue to disagree with the assertion that our
>> position is misrepresented.
>> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Chris was also a terrible candidate. Don't know
>> that he has the faintest clue about GNSO policy development, or gTLDs.
>> Amr Elsadr:Can't think of any successful stories for him at ICANN to
>> support his candidacy.
>> Amr Elsadr:I'd actually probably pick Karklins over La Hatte.
>> Martin Silva Valent:but why one over the other? besides not habing a
>> 3rd option
>> Martin Silva Valent:having^
>> Amr Elsadr:They were the only two options, Martin. Nobody else applied.
>> Martin Silva Valent:I know, but why the ssc chose one over the other
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:when faced with a situation like
>> that, go to plan B. Plan B is to hire a mediator to chair.
>> Amr Elsadr:@Martin: Aaah. If you get an answer to that question,
>> please share it. :-)
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we are now set up to fail, folks
>> Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie
>> Collin Kurre:Hi all, sorry for joining late
>> Amr Elsadr:Hey there, Collin.
>> Kathy Kleiman:Karlins is not a friend of GNSO or NCSG
>> Kathy Kleiman:Very much in favor of strong GAC rights
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Thanks Kathy, I have not read
>> everything he said and wrote during that period but I read enough to reach
>> that conclusion!
>> Amr Elsadr:Keeping Karklins honest will probably be a ton of work in
>> itself.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Between that and the WIPO
>> connection? we are dead.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I do not know the man, he could be a
>> wonderful person, but his former positions on matters ought to have ruled
>> him out
>> Kathy Kleiman:We shouldnp't have to fight the chair at the outset
>> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: Why specifically comms between leadership and NCSG?
>> Amr Elsadr:What about the rest of the Council?
>> Kathy Kleiman:Who was the third - Karklins, Chris, ?
>> Ayden Férdeline: it is not my place to speak on behalf of other GNSO
>> stakeholder groups
>> Elsa Saade:do we have trust in the process of letting a subjective
>> chair who makes biased decisions go?
>> Tatiana Tropina:Kathy, no third
>> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No third candidate.
>> Ayden Férdeline:i can only note that communication between leadership
>> and the NCSG is non-existent
>> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: It should be no more and no less than comms with
>> any other group.
>> Kathy Kleiman:tx - wish we had a third.
>> Ayden Férdeline:i have lost audio again
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:lost sound
>> Kathy Kleiman:Did we just lose Rafik?
>> Collin Kurre:I've lost audio as well
>> Tatiana Tropina:me too
>> Amr Elsadr:I lost audio too.
>> Elsa Saade: me too
>> Olga Kyryliuk:me too
>> Julf Helsingius:Just lost audio -
>> Amr Elsadr:Ah..., it's Rafik's audio.
>> katambi Joan:me too
>> Ayden Férdeline:@amr - it shouldn't be but it is
>> Ayden Férdeline:in my assessment
>> Martin Silva Valent:then should we ask for this to be removed of the
>> consent agenda before it goes to voting?
>> Pascal Bekono:I think that we can think about frequent trainings
>> sessions for applicants. especially concerning their expectations
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I would appreciate it if our
>> councillors could raise the matter of Karklins neutrality.
>> Elsa Saade:i think since we know Karklins isnt the good option, we keep
>> an eye out, and we hold him accountable?
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:At the council meeting
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:How exactly can we hold him
>> accountable? He is going to agree procedurally to a small group option,
>> where we will be outnumbered. He will cut us off when speaking
>> Elsa Saade:if we trust the process, that is
>> Ayden Férdeline:yes, i agree we should separate the roles
>> Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie --
>> Kathy Kleiman:It's difficult for members to hold Chairs accountable.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we already have Goran approving a
>> parallel process in the TSG where we were not represented.
>> Elsa Saade:as chair, he should not! no? procedurally
>> Kathy Kleiman:My memory of Karklins is that he was not a consenss
>> builder - he was a GAC builder
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:That is what I pulled from the
>> records. NEarly wrote a whole chapter on the expansion of the GAC role....
>> Ayden Férdeline:we cannot hold Karklins accountable
>> Kathy Kleiman:Are thre commitments we can have him make?
>> Elsa Saade:we can say that we are very wary about the role Karklins
>> will play. we can proceed with him in good faith, but if at any point, he
>> shows bias leading to bypassing ncsg, the.n we’ll make a case for it loud
>> and clear
>> Kathy Kleiman:Any type of checklist we can impose now - prior
>> agreements - and if he violates, he has to leave?
>> Kathy Kleiman:It's harsh, but it's an intermediary position
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Keep an eye out for the new
>> bahavioural guidelines that the OMbudsman will be shaking at us, it is
>> intended to empower Chairs.
>> Elsa Saade:pdp 3.0 could be one way to have leverage
>> Amr Elsadr:The Council liaison doesn't necessarily have to be a
>> member/alternate of the EPDP Team.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Read those guidelines everybody.
>> They are meant to control behaviour of committee members.
>> Ayden Férdeline:sounds troubling
>> Kathy Kleiman:sigh
>> Elsa Saade:oh interesting
>> Kathy Kleiman:we only need behaviorial guidelines for truly outlier
>> actions
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I understand that there have been
>> situations that prompted their development, but this one is in the
>> be-careful-waht- you-ask-for bucket
>> Kathy Kleiman:Aren't all members of the EPDP entitled to a sense of
>> security - that their views will be heard and their work will be valued?
>> Amr Elsadr:I'd prefer a small leadership team than a large one.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:All children have the right to live
>> in a happy home, but that does not stop domestic vilence
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:(okay maybe that example is a bit
>> extreme....)
>> Amr Elsadr:There are no plans to ammend the charter at all.
>> Amr Elsadr:Why would a change to the charter be required?
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:having the second candidate as a
>> vice hchair would make me a lot happier
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, as long as we can have several vice chairs without
>> amending the charter it's good
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I hope NOT.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Then we could leave the job of
>> controlling bias in the chair to the vice chair.
>> Amr Elsadr:Several VCs can be messy. And I don't believe there is any
>> need to change the charter anyway.
>> Tatiana Tropina:ah okay good, Rafik. Because I do believe that in this
>> case it's not a council matter it's EPDP matter
>> Kathy Kleiman:What about Chris as Co-Chair?
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:So can our councillors raise that
>> option, if we fail to get a change in Chair selection?
>> Tatiana Tropina:but that's what I was trying to say, if it doesn't
>> concern the charter than it's EPDP level
>> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: Please NO!! :D
>> Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - Karklins is not a process guy. He's a dictator
>> Kathy Kleiman:Chris is a t least a process guy...
>> Elsa Saade:rafik, we did not really get to consensus! that worries me
>> Ayden Férdeline:why didn't our member on Council leadership consult
>> with us?
>> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: And my understanding is that he didn't apply
>> until after the extension to the deadline.
>> Kathy Kleiman:@Amr, I've seen Chris operate publicliy and privately.
>> At least he is fair.
>> Tatiana Tropina:My question is what are we going to get strategically
>> from standing against the guy.
>> Tatiana Tropina:except him hating us even more at the end if we don't
>> have enough support
>> Tatiana Tropina:I guess we can flag unhappiness
>> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: If Karklins gives us trouble, I (and others, I
>> suspect) will not make his job easy for him. I'd prefer to wait and see how
>> he works out, then react appropriately.
>> Ayden Férdeline:@Tatiana - yes, that's the fear . - we really
>> can'toppose him now, we have to rubber stamp him because of the position we
>> have been put in
>> Tatiana Tropina:I much prefer Chris who is a professional mediator
>> Elsa Saade:i think we. should really take advantage of the fact that
>> procedures are being built by gnso to hold chairs accountable
>> Kathy Kleiman:But we could request a co-chair or additional vice chair
>> Amr Elsadr:I don't believe that Karklins or La Hatte are ideal chair
>> options for any PDP, let alone one as complex as this one.
>> Tatiana Tropina:Ayden, I don't want to rubber stamp anyone. I was one
>> of the first raising unhappiness... I am wondering what we can do
>> strategically.
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, am with you, except that I'd prefer a professinal
>> mediator to GAC/WIPO guy
>> Ayden Férdeline:i would also like us to re-assess Council leadership.
>> if communication isn't going to improve, and it isn't because it has been
>> atrocious for a year now, it is time for us to investigate changing it
>> Amr Elsadr:There's a WIPO guy co-chairing the RPMs PDP. :-)
>> Kathy Kleiman:Is Karklins also working for WIPO?
>> Ayden Férdeline:Karklins is the chair of WIPO's General Assembly
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, the RPM WIPO guy is fine :) he has nice co-chairs
>> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No, but he chairs the WIPO GA at the UN.
>> Kathy Kleiman:WIPO wants accessa nd WIPO works for IPC
>> Ayden Férdeline:i think Chris as co-chair is the only real option we
>> can consider now
>> Amr Elsadr:I fail to see how that is a real option.
>> Tatiana Tropina:Can we realistically get CPH supporting us on co chair
>> or whatever option
>> Tatiana Tropina:till Thursday
>> Kathy Kleiman:Brian Beckham is very nice, but he also meets regularly
>> withIPC and no other SGs
>> Kathy Kleiman:(RPM WG)
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:WIPO would be a good choice on
>> RPMs. NOt on compliance with GDPR.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I cannot believe I am having to
>> argue about this.
>> Kathy Kleiman:I can see not wanting to vote against Karklins directly,
>> but the idea of having co-chairs might help -- a lot
>> Elsa Saade:it is a bad situation for sure, but what can be done at the
>> moment?
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Amr we cannot let process defeat us.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Spoken by a former bureaucrat. You
>> have to know when you are about to be hung on your own process
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:they should not have announced the
>> winner prior to discussion at Council.
>> Ayden Férdeline:completely agree Stephanie
>> Kathy Kleiman:@Stephanie - agreed.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:If that does not indicate the
>> favoured position I don't know what does....That in itself is an abuse of
>> process.
>> Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - we don't have access to people who will work that
>> many hours as a leader for free
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Check the two letters that went to
>> the candidates.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Chris was told thanks for
>> applying....Karklins was told he was leader subject to vote at council
>> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I agree with you. I am very very unhappy with the
>> WIPO guy, but I just don't see how voting him down will benefit us and see
>> how it will damage
>> Kathy Kleiman:Where is CPH?
>> Tatiana Tropina:if necessary, I will vote against him and raise my
>> concerns. But I do not see how we can do anything without CPH support and
>> am not sure we have it
>> Amr Elsadr:Chris annonced on FB that he applied for the job early on in
>> the process (before the deadline extension).
>> Elsa Saade:are we the only unhappy ones?
>> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, we are the only unhappy and loud
>> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: check the GNSO WG Guidelines.
>> Rafik Dammak:appeal 3.7
>> Kathy Kleiman:That's interesting that CPH is not raising concerns...
>> Kathy Kleiman:I would think they would have similar issues to NCSG
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I believe that the contracted
>> parties are prepared to support this person. They have not objected. They
>> are getting what they want through the TSG perhaps??
>> Kathy Kleiman:But they probably don't remember Karklins...
>> Elsa Saade:might be worthwhile reaching out
>> Kathy Kleiman:+1
>> Kathy Kleiman:and to see if they would like Chris as a Co-Chair or Vice
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I certainly raised my objections on
>> the skype coordination channel.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Make sure you specify Chris Lahatte,
>> or we will get Chris Disspain....
>> Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Hi all
>> Kathy Kleiman::-)
>> Elsa Saade:and Steph was there no reaction?
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:not really
>> Elsa Saade:interesting
>> Amr Elsadr:Contracted Parties seem to be ok with Karklins being
>> appointed.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Elliot is now working with Steve del
>> Bianco on the trust model...ie who accredits
>> Amr Elsadr:..., or at least willing to give him a try before passing
>> judgment. Not sure what they are basing their reasoning on.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:problem will be what to do if I am
>> correct AMr.
>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I believe irrespective of who the chair
>> is , it is good we know the outlook of the chair...we can be determine to
>> maintain our interest all through the process.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:None of them were around when
>> Karklins was GAC chair, nor are they expert on govt overreach
>> Amr Elsadr:If WE are correct, and he turns out to be a difficult Chair,
>> it'll mean a lot more work on our part in terms of working with/against him.
>> Elsa Saade:yea i think if we hold back it could be interpreted as bad
>> faith
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:what do you mean hold back? I don't
>> think objecting to the lack of neutrality of a chair is showing bad faith.
>> Elsa Saade:by holding back i mean voting no without a suggesion
>> Elsa Saade:suggestion*
>> Amr Elsadr:I had no problem with how reporting to the Council was done
>> for phase 1. I believe all GNSO SGs/Cs had all the info they needed, either
>> via the liaison, or their reps on the EPDP Team.
>> Elsa Saade:trying to understand CPH’s silence on Karklins
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Welll I think the order of
>> procedures is as follows: 1 object to the lack of neutrality of the Chair,
>> on WIPO and former GAC chair grounds. Demand an explanation of how he has
>> committed to neutrality whilst maintaining his role at WIPO.
>> Ayden Férdeline:so glad you were happy with the reporting Amr!
>> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: So I'm happy, and you're glad. :-)
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:2. Ask for a control meausre in the
>> event that council insists on his selection. POint out the contempt for
>> council inherent in sending option 2 candidate away prior to the vote , or
>> indeed even announcing prior to the Council discussion.
>> Elsa Saade:honestly? i’ve been incessantly talking about this on
>> council. im not entirely sure how long i can hold my breath on this
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:3. Suggest some
>> workarounds....chris as vice chair, David from the Mediation team as vice
>> chair, etc. Choose another vice chair, I would be happy to be vice chair.
>> Elsa Saade:and i’ve asked over and over again for us to post our
>> reasons in detail for why we’re making such a decision
>> Rafik Dammak:yes
>> Elsa Saade:i dont think that happened really
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:yes
>> Elsa Saade:<question> what kind of precedent are we setting by
>> approving this recommendation? <endquestion>
>> Kathy Kleiman:other options sound good!
>> Elsa Saade:id like to know ur thoughts folks
>> Kathy Kleiman:has anyone reached out to you?
>> Kathy Kleiman:(NCSG?)
>> Martin Silva Valent:nice to know I wasn't that crazy to oppose to this
>> !
>> Elsa Saade:wish i could speak
>> Elsa Saade: but ill send thoughts on the list
>> Elsa Saade:i think Amr raised very interesting questions about this in
>> Kobe (IDNs)
>> Elsa Saade:i think there should be a council liaison normally
>> Elsa Saade:that is not procedural though
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we are not going to get to the
>> discussion on membership on the GNSO drafting team for IANA transition
>> ....we need someone who was on the CCWG to join. I do not have sufficient
>> background to be effective, am just holding the fort.
>> Kathy Kleiman:Hi All-- I have to run. Tx for the meeting.
>> Kathy Kleiman:Quicck note that SubPro is now in final negotiation of
>> key rules for New gTLDs.
>> Kathy Kleiman:And we need more people and more voices to defend our
>> positions.
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:We also need to appoint Julf as our
>> voting member on the Auction proceeds, requires a formal notification to
>> give him the vote.
>> Kathy Kleiman:We worked really hard on our comments, many of which are
>> minority. They will help protect future new registries from all over the
>> world. If we can defend them :-)
>> Elsa Saade:good luck Amr!
>> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Elsa. I don't plan on working too hard on the IRT.
>> Just keep an eye on things, and only intervene if/when I believe there
>> might be problems. Hopefully, there won't be any.
>> Rafik Dammak:most of the work in implementation is done by staff but
>> the IRT members are there to monitor ensure that doesnt derail from the
>> apporved policy recommendation
>> Elsa Saade:yea I’ve recently gone through IRT procedures and process
>> Elsa Saade:ah yes!
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:the problem on this one will be
>> implementing access prior to deciding the policy
>> Elsa Saade:<comment> i think Kathy mentioned New gTLD SubPro earlier
>> in the chat - and the need for our comments to be taken into consideration
>> <endcomment>
>> Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: Sure. Thanks.
>> Amr Elsadr:Anybody have any feedback on a DPIA being flagged at this
>> point?
>> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Lookin' at you!! ;-)
>> Elsa Saade:there has been some talk about another public comment round
>> but its not for sure
>> Rafik Dammak:thanks Elsa
>> Amr Elsadr:Lost Stephanie's audio.
>> Elsa Saade:same
>> Elsa Saade:we always mention how much we think HIT sessions are not
>> useful
>> Elsa Saade:especially in policy meetings
>> Tatiana Tropina:Let me think a bit
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:exactly Fik, this is the problem
>> Pascal Bekono:thanks Stephanie
>> Julf Helsingius:Attendance numbers have been very low
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:no wonder, they have been spinning
>> in circles for over a year now...
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:has it been two years?
>> Julf Helsingius:feels like forever
>> Elsa Saade:thanks Rafik
>> Elsa Saade:bye all - and let’s follow up on the list
>> Bukola Oronti:Thanks All
>> Olga Kyryliuk:Thanks Rafik and all
>> Juan Manuel Rojas:Thanls all
>> Juan Manuel Rojas:*Thanks
>> Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Thanks
>> Pascal Bekono:Many Thanks Rafik, I will email you
>> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
>> Julf Helsingius:Thanks and bye!
>> Tatiana Tropina:thanks Rafik and all
>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):thank you all
>> Farell:Bye all
>> avri doria:bye, thanks
>>
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