Recordings of NCSG Policy Call | Tuesday 16 April 2019 at 1200 UTC =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=93_?=1400 UTC
Rafik Dammak
rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM
Tue Apr 16 18:29:16 EEST 2019
Hi all,
please find the recordings of the last NCSG Policy call.
Best regards,
Rafik
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De : Maria Otanes
Hi Rafik,
Please find chat attached, attendance and AC recording below.
*Attendance*: Amr Elsadr, Antonella Perini, Avri Doria, Ayden Férdeline,
Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bukola Oronti, Claire Craig, Collin Kurre, Desara
Dushi, Elsa Saade, Farell, GZ Kabir, Juan Manuel Rojas, Julf Helsingius,
Katambi Joan, Kathy Kleiman, Martin Silva Valent, Michael Karanicolas,
Mili, Olga Kyryliuk, Pascal Bekono, Rafik Dammak, Shah Rahman, Stefan
Filipovic, Stephanie Perrin, Taiwo Peter Akinremi, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin
Samme-Nlar, Tuhaise, Robert, Vrikson Acosta, Zhou Heng
*Staff*: Ria Otanes
*AC Recording*: https://participate.icann.org/p53yys4zkpl/
Best,
Ria
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*Ria Otanes*
Secretariat Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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Maria Otanes:Welcome to the NCSG Policy Call on Tuesday, 16 April 2019 at
12:00 UTC
Ayden Férdeline:Hi all
Vrikson Acosta:Hello everyone ... I see familiar faces from Kobe :)
Olga Kyryliuk:Hi Everyone
Tatiana Tropina:hi all
Mili:hello everyone
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Hi all
Antonella Perini:hi everyone!
Shah Rahman:Hi Everyone
Julf Helsingius:It is often the same :)
Martin Silva Valent:hi
Bukola Oronti:Hello everyone
Martin Silva Valent:yees
Amr Elsadr:Can hear you fine.
Olga Kyryliuk:yes
Julf Helsingius:loud and clear
Amr Elsadr:@Tatiana: Right. The CCT Review feeds in to the sub pro PDP.
katambi Joan:hi everyone
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Hi Joan!
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Excellent points to raise AMr
Amr Elsadr:From GAC Communique: The GAC advises the Board to: i. Take
necessary steps to ensure that the GNSO EPDP on the Temporary Specification
for gTLD Registration Data institutes concrete milestones, progress reports
and an expeditious timeline, similar to Phase 1, for concluding Phase 2
activities;
Amr Elsadr:GNSO Response: As manager of the PDP process the GNSO Council
is very aware of the work being conducted within the ePDP. (i) We are
conscious of the workload involved with phase 1 and our respective groups
have committed to working through phase 2 in a timely fashion. (ii) The
GNSO Council has discussed and reconfirmed the scope of the Phase 2, as
provided in the EPDP Charter.
Julf Helsingius:Problem is that the council doersn't have a strong
position, leaving it to the WG leadership
Amr Elsadr:@Julf: Would have been interesting to include that in the GNSO
response. :-)
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:The majority in Council has a strong
position.
Julf Helsingius:We couldn't have agreed in the drafting team
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:We and the Contracted parties agree on
this.
Amr Elsadr:I'd characterize the response as ambiguous, more than neutral.
:-)
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:The problem is that it sets us up for
interminable wrangling on the EPDP. And small groups dashing on ahead.
Julf Helsingius:It is a discussion that has to happen at the council
level, not drafting team
Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Tatiana. Was looking for the context you gave, not a
definitive answer. :-)
Tatiana Tropina:Amr :) Julf, yes
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Suggest you get in there and make a
strong statement
Julf Helsingius:Everything was already said :)
Tatiana Tropina:BTW, Julf, I hope I didn't take over your intervention -
so swamped here, didn't realise that you were on the call and could
probably give a much better overview of this work on GAC communique
Rafik Dammak:yes
Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: I don't believe the response needs to be edited. It's
ambiguity relieves the GNSO and the EPDP Team of any commitments, so I'm ok
with it. Just thought it a little strange not to address the communique
directly, which is the purpose of the GNSO response, no?
Julf Helsingius:Tatiana: you did a good job, I had an AC hangup at that
point
Juan Manuel Rojas:Hi all
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I guess so (agree with you)
Amr Elsadr:Quite a few contracted parties on the TSG, no?
Julf Helsingius:Amr: we were under time pressure, and Paul McGrady would
never have agreed
Tatiana Tropina:Julf, yup. sigh.
Tatiana Tropina:it was a task on "how to say something nice to say
nothing and leave a room for maneuvre"
Julf Helsingius:Fortunately I am good at not saying anything :)
Tatiana Tropina::))))
Elsa Saade:hey all, sorry I’m late, running after trains
Ayden Férdeline:they are not inaccurate
Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, all good, we are approaching IGO INGO
Tatiana Tropina:which you might love to talk about!
Tatiana Tropina::P
Ayden Férdeline:i have suddenly lost audio, not sure if othershave
Tatiana Tropina:Ayden on the phone bridge audio is fine
Ayden Férdeline:hmm i am on the phone bridge
Julf Helsingius:Ayden: I had that earlier, had to restart AC
Tatiana Tropina:then it's really hmmm, works perfectly ...
Ayden Férdeline:dialing in again
Maria Otanes:I'm on the phone bridge as well and have not lost audio.
Could you please try dialing back in?
Tatiana Tropina:ah okay I had a dial out from AC (if it makes any
difference)
Maria Otanes:thank you. please let me know if you're still having audio
issues
Elsa Saade:tanya, i probably won’t be able to speak at all!! but here to
listen and chat only unfortunately. it’s a bad time for me!
Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, oh. xx
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Which recommendation is it that is
inaccurate?
Amr Elsadr:I think it was rec#16
Amr Elsadr:On Geo Distinction.
Amr Elsadr:The GNSO Council report says that the NCSG opposed this
recommendation.
Amr Elsadr:Sorry, but what agenda are we following on this call?
Amr Elsadr:Not the Council agenda, right?
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Karklins
Elsa Saade:can we have scrolling control Maryam?
Maria Otanes:the council agenda is now scrollable
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Also Karklins is supposed to be chair
of standing committee of WIPO. Is that true?
Elsa Saade:my bad, thanks!!
Amr Elsadr:They were both rather poor choices. Pretty messed up that we
ended up with Karklins.
Ayden Férdeline:Chair of WIPO General Assembly
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: I believe so.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I don't understand why Chris Lahatte is
considered a bad candidate
Amr Elsadr:Far from perfect.
Ayden Férdeline:I have just re-reviewed the Council's Recommendations
Report on EPDP and I continue to disagree with the assertion that our
position is misrepresented.
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Chris was also a terrible candidate. Don't know
that he has the faintest clue about GNSO policy development, or gTLDs.
Amr Elsadr:Can't think of any successful stories for him at ICANN to
support his candidacy.
Amr Elsadr:I'd actually probably pick Karklins over La Hatte.
Martin Silva Valent:but why one over the other? besides not habing a 3rd
option
Martin Silva Valent:having^
Amr Elsadr:They were the only two options, Martin. Nobody else applied.
Martin Silva Valent:I know, but why the ssc chose one over the other
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:when faced with a situation like that,
go to plan B. Plan B is to hire a mediator to chair.
Amr Elsadr:@Martin: Aaah. If you get an answer to that question, please
share it. :-)
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we are now set up to fail, folks
Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie
Collin Kurre:Hi all, sorry for joining late
Amr Elsadr:Hey there, Collin.
Kathy Kleiman:Karlins is not a friend of GNSO or NCSG
Kathy Kleiman:Very much in favor of strong GAC rights
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Thanks Kathy, I have not read
everything he said and wrote during that period but I read enough to reach
that conclusion!
Amr Elsadr:Keeping Karklins honest will probably be a ton of work in
itself.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Between that and the WIPO connection?
we are dead.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I do not know the man, he could be a
wonderful person, but his former positions on matters ought to have ruled
him out
Kathy Kleiman:We shouldnp't have to fight the chair at the outset
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: Why specifically comms between leadership and NCSG?
Amr Elsadr:What about the rest of the Council?
Kathy Kleiman:Who was the third - Karklins, Chris, ?
Ayden Férdeline: it is not my place to speak on behalf of other GNSO
stakeholder groups
Elsa Saade:do we have trust in the process of letting a subjective chair
who makes biased decisions go?
Tatiana Tropina:Kathy, no third
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No third candidate.
Ayden Férdeline:i can only note that communication between leadership and
the NCSG is non-existent
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: It should be no more and no less than comms with any
other group.
Kathy Kleiman:tx - wish we had a third.
Ayden Férdeline:i have lost audio again
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:lost sound
Kathy Kleiman:Did we just lose Rafik?
Collin Kurre:I've lost audio as well
Tatiana Tropina:me too
Amr Elsadr:I lost audio too.
Elsa Saade: me too
Olga Kyryliuk:me too
Julf Helsingius:Just lost audio -
Amr Elsadr:Ah..., it's Rafik's audio.
katambi Joan:me too
Ayden Férdeline:@amr - it shouldn't be but it is
Ayden Férdeline:in my assessment
Martin Silva Valent:then should we ask for this to be removed of the
consent agenda before it goes to voting?
Pascal Bekono:I think that we can think about frequent trainings sessions
for applicants. especially concerning their expectations
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I would appreciate it if our
councillors could raise the matter of Karklins neutrality.
Elsa Saade:i think since we know Karklins isnt the good option, we keep
an eye out, and we hold him accountable?
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:At the council meeting
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:How exactly can we hold him
accountable? He is going to agree procedurally to a small group option,
where we will be outnumbered. He will cut us off when speaking
Elsa Saade:if we trust the process, that is
Ayden Férdeline:yes, i agree we should separate the roles
Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie --
Kathy Kleiman:It's difficult for members to hold Chairs accountable.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we already have Goran approving a
parallel process in the TSG where we were not represented.
Elsa Saade:as chair, he should not! no? procedurally
Kathy Kleiman:My memory of Karklins is that he was not a consenss builder
- he was a GAC builder
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:That is what I pulled from the
records. NEarly wrote a whole chapter on the expansion of the GAC role....
Ayden Férdeline:we cannot hold Karklins accountable
Kathy Kleiman:Are thre commitments we can have him make?
Elsa Saade:we can say that we are very wary about the role Karklins will
play. we can proceed with him in good faith, but if at any point, he shows
bias leading to bypassing ncsg, the.n we’ll make a case for it loud and
clear
Kathy Kleiman:Any type of checklist we can impose now - prior agreements
- and if he violates, he has to leave?
Kathy Kleiman:It's harsh, but it's an intermediary position
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Keep an eye out for the new
bahavioural guidelines that the OMbudsman will be shaking at us, it is
intended to empower Chairs.
Elsa Saade:pdp 3.0 could be one way to have leverage
Amr Elsadr:The Council liaison doesn't necessarily have to be a
member/alternate of the EPDP Team.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Read those guidelines everybody. They
are meant to control behaviour of committee members.
Ayden Férdeline:sounds troubling
Kathy Kleiman:sigh
Elsa Saade:oh interesting
Kathy Kleiman:we only need behaviorial guidelines for truly outlier
actions
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I understand that there have been
situations that prompted their development, but this one is in the
be-careful-waht- you-ask-for bucket
Kathy Kleiman:Aren't all members of the EPDP entitled to a sense of
security - that their views will be heard and their work will be valued?
Amr Elsadr:I'd prefer a small leadership team than a large one.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:All children have the right to live in
a happy home, but that does not stop domestic vilence
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:(okay maybe that example is a bit
extreme....)
Amr Elsadr:There are no plans to ammend the charter at all.
Amr Elsadr:Why would a change to the charter be required?
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:having the second candidate as a vice
hchair would make me a lot happier
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, as long as we can have several vice chairs without
amending the charter it's good
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I hope NOT.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Then we could leave the job of
controlling bias in the chair to the vice chair.
Amr Elsadr:Several VCs can be messy. And I don't believe there is any
need to change the charter anyway.
Tatiana Tropina:ah okay good, Rafik. Because I do believe that in this
case it's not a council matter it's EPDP matter
Kathy Kleiman:What about Chris as Co-Chair?
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:So can our councillors raise that
option, if we fail to get a change in Chair selection?
Tatiana Tropina:but that's what I was trying to say, if it doesn't
concern the charter than it's EPDP level
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: Please NO!! :D
Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - Karklins is not a process guy. He's a dictator
Kathy Kleiman:Chris is a t least a process guy...
Elsa Saade:rafik, we did not really get to consensus! that worries me
Ayden Férdeline:why didn't our member on Council leadership consult with
us?
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: And my understanding is that he didn't apply until
after the extension to the deadline.
Kathy Kleiman:@Amr, I've seen Chris operate publicliy and privately. At
least he is fair.
Tatiana Tropina:My question is what are we going to get strategically
from standing against the guy.
Tatiana Tropina:except him hating us even more at the end if we don't
have enough support
Tatiana Tropina:I guess we can flag unhappiness
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: If Karklins gives us trouble, I (and others, I
suspect) will not make his job easy for him. I'd prefer to wait and see how
he works out, then react appropriately.
Ayden Férdeline:@Tatiana - yes, that's the fear . - we really can'toppose
him now, we have to rubber stamp him because of the position we have been
put in
Tatiana Tropina:I much prefer Chris who is a professional mediator
Elsa Saade:i think we. should really take advantage of the fact that
procedures are being built by gnso to hold chairs accountable
Kathy Kleiman:But we could request a co-chair or additional vice chair
Amr Elsadr:I don't believe that Karklins or La Hatte are ideal chair
options for any PDP, let alone one as complex as this one.
Tatiana Tropina:Ayden, I don't want to rubber stamp anyone. I was one of
the first raising unhappiness... I am wondering what we can do
strategically.
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, am with you, except that I'd prefer a professinal
mediator to GAC/WIPO guy
Ayden Férdeline:i would also like us to re-assess Council leadership. if
communication isn't going to improve, and it isn't because it has been
atrocious for a year now, it is time for us to investigate changing it
Amr Elsadr:There's a WIPO guy co-chairing the RPMs PDP. :-)
Kathy Kleiman:Is Karklins also working for WIPO?
Ayden Férdeline:Karklins is the chair of WIPO's General Assembly
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, the RPM WIPO guy is fine :) he has nice co-chairs
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No, but he chairs the WIPO GA at the UN.
Kathy Kleiman:WIPO wants accessa nd WIPO works for IPC
Ayden Férdeline:i think Chris as co-chair is the only real option we can
consider now
Amr Elsadr:I fail to see how that is a real option.
Tatiana Tropina:Can we realistically get CPH supporting us on co chair or
whatever option
Tatiana Tropina:till Thursday
Kathy Kleiman:Brian Beckham is very nice, but he also meets regularly
withIPC and no other SGs
Kathy Kleiman:(RPM WG)
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:WIPO would be a good choice on RPMs.
NOt on compliance with GDPR.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I cannot believe I am having to argue
about this.
Kathy Kleiman:I can see not wanting to vote against Karklins directly,
but the idea of having co-chairs might help -- a lot
Elsa Saade:it is a bad situation for sure, but what can be done at the
moment?
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Amr we cannot let process defeat us.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Spoken by a former bureaucrat. You
have to know when you are about to be hung on your own process
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:they should not have announced the
winner prior to discussion at Council.
Ayden Férdeline:completely agree Stephanie
Kathy Kleiman:@Stephanie - agreed.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:If that does not indicate the favoured
position I don't know what does....That in itself is an abuse of process.
Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - we don't have access to people who will work that
many hours as a leader for free
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Check the two letters that went to the
candidates.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Chris was told thanks for
applying....Karklins was told he was leader subject to vote at council
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I agree with you. I am very very unhappy with the
WIPO guy, but I just don't see how voting him down will benefit us and see
how it will damage
Kathy Kleiman:Where is CPH?
Tatiana Tropina:if necessary, I will vote against him and raise my
concerns. But I do not see how we can do anything without CPH support and
am not sure we have it
Amr Elsadr:Chris annonced on FB that he applied for the job early on in
the process (before the deadline extension).
Elsa Saade:are we the only unhappy ones?
Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, we are the only unhappy and loud
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: check the GNSO WG Guidelines.
Rafik Dammak:appeal 3.7
Kathy Kleiman:That's interesting that CPH is not raising concerns...
Kathy Kleiman:I would think they would have similar issues to NCSG
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I believe that the contracted parties
are prepared to support this person. They have not objected. They are
getting what they want through the TSG perhaps??
Kathy Kleiman:But they probably don't remember Karklins...
Elsa Saade:might be worthwhile reaching out
Kathy Kleiman:+1
Kathy Kleiman:and to see if they would like Chris as a Co-Chair or Vice
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:I certainly raised my objections on the
skype coordination channel.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Make sure you specify Chris Lahatte, or
we will get Chris Disspain....
Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Hi all
Kathy Kleiman::-)
Elsa Saade:and Steph was there no reaction?
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:not really
Elsa Saade:interesting
Amr Elsadr:Contracted Parties seem to be ok with Karklins being appointed.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Elliot is now working with Steve del
Bianco on the trust model...ie who accredits
Amr Elsadr:..., or at least willing to give him a try before passing
judgment. Not sure what they are basing their reasoning on.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:problem will be what to do if I am
correct AMr.
Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I believe irrespective of who the chair is
, it is good we know the outlook of the chair...we can be determine to
maintain our interest all through the process.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:None of them were around when Karklins
was GAC chair, nor are they expert on govt overreach
Amr Elsadr:If WE are correct, and he turns out to be a difficult Chair,
it'll mean a lot more work on our part in terms of working with/against him.
Elsa Saade:yea i think if we hold back it could be interpreted as bad
faith
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:what do you mean hold back? I don't
think objecting to the lack of neutrality of a chair is showing bad faith.
Elsa Saade:by holding back i mean voting no without a suggesion
Elsa Saade:suggestion*
Amr Elsadr:I had no problem with how reporting to the Council was done
for phase 1. I believe all GNSO SGs/Cs had all the info they needed, either
via the liaison, or their reps on the EPDP Team.
Elsa Saade:trying to understand CPH’s silence on Karklins
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:Welll I think the order of procedures
is as follows: 1 object to the lack of neutrality of the Chair, on WIPO and
former GAC chair grounds. Demand an explanation of how he has committed to
neutrality whilst maintaining his role at WIPO.
Ayden Férdeline:so glad you were happy with the reporting Amr!
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: So I'm happy, and you're glad. :-)
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:2. Ask for a control meausre in the
event that council insists on his selection. POint out the contempt for
council inherent in sending option 2 candidate away prior to the vote , or
indeed even announcing prior to the Council discussion.
Elsa Saade:honestly? i’ve been incessantly talking about this on council.
im not entirely sure how long i can hold my breath on this
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:3. Suggest some workarounds....chris
as vice chair, David from the Mediation team as vice chair, etc. Choose
another vice chair, I would be happy to be vice chair.
Elsa Saade:and i’ve asked over and over again for us to post our reasons
in detail for why we’re making such a decision
Rafik Dammak:yes
Elsa Saade:i dont think that happened really
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:yes
Elsa Saade:<question> what kind of precedent are we setting by approving
this recommendation? <endquestion>
Kathy Kleiman:other options sound good!
Elsa Saade:id like to know ur thoughts folks
Kathy Kleiman:has anyone reached out to you?
Kathy Kleiman:(NCSG?)
Martin Silva Valent:nice to know I wasn't that crazy to oppose to this !
Elsa Saade:wish i could speak
Elsa Saade: but ill send thoughts on the list
Elsa Saade:i think Amr raised very interesting questions about this in
Kobe (IDNs)
Elsa Saade:i think there should be a council liaison normally
Elsa Saade:that is not procedural though
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:we are not going to get to the
discussion on membership on the GNSO drafting team for IANA transition
....we need someone who was on the CCWG to join. I do not have sufficient
background to be effective, am just holding the fort.
Kathy Kleiman:Hi All-- I have to run. Tx for the meeting.
Kathy Kleiman:Quicck note that SubPro is now in final negotiation of key
rules for New gTLDs.
Kathy Kleiman:And we need more people and more voices to defend our
positions.
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:We also need to appoint Julf as our
voting member on the Auction proceeds, requires a formal notification to
give him the vote.
Kathy Kleiman:We worked really hard on our comments, many of which are
minority. They will help protect future new registries from all over the
world. If we can defend them :-)
Elsa Saade:good luck Amr!
Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Elsa. I don't plan on working too hard on the IRT.
Just keep an eye on things, and only intervene if/when I believe there
might be problems. Hopefully, there won't be any.
Rafik Dammak:most of the work in implementation is done by staff but the
IRT members are there to monitor ensure that doesnt derail from the
apporved policy recommendation
Elsa Saade:yea I’ve recently gone through IRT procedures and process
Elsa Saade:ah yes!
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:the problem on this one will be
implementing access prior to deciding the policy
Elsa Saade:<comment> i think Kathy mentioned New gTLD SubPro earlier in
the chat - and the need for our comments to be taken into consideration
<endcomment>
Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: Sure. Thanks.
Amr Elsadr:Anybody have any feedback on a DPIA being flagged at this
point?
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Lookin' at you!! ;-)
Elsa Saade:there has been some talk about another public comment round
but its not for sure
Rafik Dammak:thanks Elsa
Amr Elsadr:Lost Stephanie's audio.
Elsa Saade:same
Elsa Saade:we always mention how much we think HIT sessions are not useful
Elsa Saade:especially in policy meetings
Tatiana Tropina:Let me think a bit
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:exactly Fik, this is the problem
Pascal Bekono:thanks Stephanie
Julf Helsingius:Attendance numbers have been very low
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:no wonder, they have been spinning in
circles for over a year now...
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca:has it been two years?
Julf Helsingius:feels like forever
Elsa Saade:thanks Rafik
Elsa Saade:bye all - and let’s follow up on the list
Bukola Oronti:Thanks All
Olga Kyryliuk:Thanks Rafik and all
Juan Manuel Rojas:Thanls all
Juan Manuel Rojas:*Thanks
Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Thanks
Pascal Bekono:Many Thanks Rafik, I will email you
Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
Julf Helsingius:Thanks and bye!
Tatiana Tropina:thanks Rafik and all
Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):thank you all
Farell:Bye all
avri doria:bye, thanks
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