<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>please find the recordings of the last NCSG Policy call.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>De : <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Maria Otanes</strong><br></div><br><br><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-799142764821294311WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Rafik,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Please find chat attached, attendance and AC recording below.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Attendance</b>: Amr Elsadr, Antonella Perini, Avri Doria, Ayden Férdeline, Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bukola Oronti, Claire Craig, Collin Kurre, Desara Dushi, Elsa Saade, Farell, GZ Kabir, Juan Manuel Rojas, Julf Helsingius, Katambi Joan, Kathy Kleiman, Martin Silva Valent, Michael Karanicolas, Mili, Olga Kyryliuk, Pascal Bekono, Rafik Dammak, Shah Rahman, Stefan Filipovic, Stephanie Perrin, Taiwo Peter Akinremi, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin Samme-Nlar, Tuhaise, Robert, Vrikson Acosta, Zhou Heng<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Staff</b>: Ria Otanes<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>AC Recording</b>: <a href="https://participate.icann.org/p53yys4zkpl/" target="_blank">https://participate.icann.org/p53yys4zkpl/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ria<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray;background:white">_______________________________________________________________________________________________</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ria Otanes<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Secretariat Operations Coordinator<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:02:16 +0000<br>Subject: [Ext] Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Non Commercial Stakeholder Group<br> Maria Otanes:Welcome to the NCSG Policy Call on Tuesday, 16 April 2019 at 12:00 UTC<br>
Ayden Férdeline:Hi all<br>
Vrikson Acosta:Hello everyone ... I see familiar faces from Kobe :)<br>
Olga Kyryliuk:Hi Everyone<br>
Tatiana Tropina:hi all<br>
Mili:hello everyone <br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Hi all<br>
Antonella Perini:hi everyone!<br>
Shah Rahman:Hi Everyone<br>
Julf Helsingius:It is often the same :)<br>
Martin Silva Valent:hi<br>
Bukola Oronti:Hello everyone<br>
Martin Silva Valent:yees<br>
Amr Elsadr:Can hear you fine.<br>
Olga Kyryliuk:yes<br>
Julf Helsingius:loud and clear<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Tatiana: Right. The CCT Review feeds in to the sub pro PDP.<br>
katambi Joan:hi everyone<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Hi Joan!<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Excellent points to raise AMr<br>
Amr Elsadr:From GAC Communique: The GAC advises the Board to: i. Take necessary steps to ensure that the GNSO EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data institutes concrete milestones, progress reports and an expeditious timeline, similar to Phase 1, for concluding Phase 2 activities;<br>
Amr Elsadr:GNSO Response: As manager of the PDP process the GNSO Council is very aware of the work being conducted within the ePDP. (i) We are conscious of the workload involved with phase 1 and our respective groups have committed to working through phase 2 in a timely fashion. (ii) The GNSO Council has discussed and reconfirmed the scope of the Phase 2, as provided in the EPDP Charter.<br>
Julf Helsingius:Problem is that the council doersn't have a strong position, leaving it to the WG leadership<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Julf: Would have been interesting to include that in the GNSO response. :-)<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:The majority in Council has a strong position.<br>
Julf Helsingius:We couldn't have agreed in the drafting team<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:We and the Contracted parties agree on this. <br>
Amr Elsadr:I'd characterize the response as ambiguous, more than neutral. :-)<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:The problem is that it sets us up for interminable wrangling on the EPDP. And small groups dashing on ahead.<br>
Julf Helsingius:It is a discussion that has to happen at the council level, not drafting team<br>
Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Tatiana. Was looking for the context you gave, not a definitive answer. :-)<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Amr :) Julf, yes <br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Suggest you get in there and make a strong statement<br>
Julf Helsingius:Everything was already said :)<br>
Tatiana Tropina:BTW, Julf, I hope I didn't take over your intervention - so swamped here, didn't realise that you were on the call and could probably give a much better overview of this work on GAC communique <br>
Rafik Dammak:yes<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: I don't believe the response needs to be edited. It's ambiguity relieves the GNSO and the EPDP Team of any commitments, so I'm ok with it. Just thought it a little strange not to address the communique directly, which is the purpose of the GNSO response, no?<br>
Julf Helsingius:Tatiana: you did a good job, I had an AC hangup at that point<br>
Juan Manuel Rojas:Hi all<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I guess so (agree with you)<br>
Amr Elsadr:Quite a few contracted parties on the TSG, no?<br>
Julf Helsingius:Amr: we were under time pressure, and Paul McGrady would never have agreed<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Julf, yup. sigh. <br>
Tatiana Tropina:it was a task on "how to say something nice to say nothing and leave a room for maneuvre"<br>
Julf Helsingius:Fortunately I am good at not saying anything :)<br>
Tatiana Tropina::))))<br>
Elsa Saade:hey all, sorry I’m late, running after trains<br>
Ayden Férdeline:they are not inaccurate<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, all good, we are approaching IGO INGO <br>
Tatiana Tropina:which you might love to talk about! <br>
Tatiana Tropina::P<br>
Ayden Férdeline:i have suddenly lost audio, not sure if othershave<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Ayden on the phone bridge audio is fine <br>
Ayden Férdeline:hmm i am on the phone bridge<br>
Julf Helsingius:Ayden: I had that earlier, had to restart AC<br>
Tatiana Tropina:then it's really hmmm, works perfectly ... <br>
Ayden Férdeline:dialing in again<br>
Maria Otanes:I'm on the phone bridge as well and have not lost audio. Could you please try dialing back in?<br>
Tatiana Tropina:ah okay I had a dial out from AC (if it makes any difference) <br>
Maria Otanes:thank you. please let me know if you're still having audio issues<br>
Elsa Saade:tanya, i probably won’t be able to speak at all!! but here to listen and chat only unfortunately. it’s a bad time for me!<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, oh. xx<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Which recommendation is it that is inaccurate?<br>
Amr Elsadr:I think it was rec#16<br>
Amr Elsadr:On Geo Distinction.<br>
Amr Elsadr:The GNSO Council report says that the NCSG opposed this recommendation.<br>
Amr Elsadr:Sorry, but what agenda are we following on this call?<br>
Amr Elsadr:Not the Council agenda, right?<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Karklins<br>
Elsa Saade:can we have scrolling control Maryam?<br>
Maria Otanes:the council agenda is now scrollable <br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Also Karklins is supposed to be chair of standing committee of WIPO. Is that true?<br>
Elsa Saade:my bad, thanks!!<br>
Amr Elsadr:They were both rather poor choices. Pretty messed up that we ended up with Karklins.<br>
Ayden Férdeline:Chair of WIPO General Assembly<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: I believe so.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:I don't understand why Chris Lahatte is considered a bad candidate<br>
Amr Elsadr:Far from perfect.<br>
Ayden Férdeline:I have just re-reviewed the Council's Recommendations Report on EPDP and I continue to disagree with the assertion that our position is misrepresented.<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Chris was also a terrible candidate. Don't know that he has the faintest clue about GNSO policy development, or gTLDs.<br>
Amr Elsadr:Can't think of any successful stories for him at ICANN to support his candidacy.<br>
Amr Elsadr:I'd actually probably pick Karklins over La Hatte.<br>
Martin Silva Valent:but why one over the other? besides not habing a 3rd option<br>
Martin Silva Valent:having^<br>
Amr Elsadr:They were the only two options, Martin. Nobody else applied.<br>
Martin Silva Valent:I know, but why the ssc chose one over the other<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:when faced with a situation like that, go to plan B. Plan B is to hire a mediator to chair.<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Martin: Aaah. If you get an answer to that question, please share it. :-)<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:we are now set up to fail, folks<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie <br>
Collin Kurre:Hi all, sorry for joining late<br>
Amr Elsadr:Hey there, Collin.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Karlins is not a friend of GNSO or NCSG<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Very much in favor of strong GAC rights <br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Thanks Kathy, I have not read everything he said and wrote during that period but I read enough to reach that conclusion!<br>
Amr Elsadr:Keeping Karklins honest will probably be a ton of work in itself.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Between that and the WIPO connection? we are dead.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:I do not know the man, he could be a wonderful person, but his former positions on matters ought to have ruled him out<br>
Kathy Kleiman:We shouldnp't have to fight the chair at the outset<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: Why specifically comms between leadership and NCSG?<br>
Amr Elsadr:What about the rest of the Council?<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Who was the third - Karklins, Chris, ?<br>
Ayden Férdeline: it is not my place to speak on behalf of other GNSO stakeholder groups<br>
Elsa Saade:do we have trust in the process of letting a subjective chair who makes biased decisions go?<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Kathy, no third <br>
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No third candidate.<br>
Ayden Férdeline:i can only note that communication between leadership and the NCSG is non-existent<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: It should be no more and no less than comms with any other group.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:tx - wish we had a third.<br>
Ayden Férdeline:i have lost audio again<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:lost sound<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Did we just lose Rafik?<br>
Collin Kurre:I've lost audio as well<br>
Tatiana Tropina:me too <br>
Amr Elsadr:I lost audio too.<br>
Elsa Saade: me too<br>
Olga Kyryliuk:me too<br>
Julf Helsingius:Just lost audio -<br>
Amr Elsadr:Ah..., it's Rafik's audio.<br>
katambi Joan:me too<br>
Ayden Férdeline:@amr - it shouldn't be but it is<br>
Ayden Férdeline:in my assessment<br>
Martin Silva Valent:then should we ask for this to be removed of the consent agenda before it goes to voting?<br>
Pascal Bekono:I think that we can think about frequent trainings sessions for applicants. especially concerning their expectations<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:I would appreciate it if our councillors could raise the matter of Karklins neutrality.<br>
Elsa Saade:i think since we know Karklins isnt the good option, we keep an eye out, and we hold him accountable?<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:At the council meeting<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:How exactly can we hold him accountable? He is going to agree procedurally to a small group option, where we will be outnumbered. He will cut us off when speaking<br>
Elsa Saade:if we trust the process, that is<br>
Ayden Férdeline:yes, i agree we should separate the roles<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Stephanie --<br>
Kathy Kleiman:It's difficult for members to hold Chairs accountable.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:we already have Goran approving a parallel process in the TSG where we were not represented.<br>
Elsa Saade:as chair, he should not! no? procedurally<br>
Kathy Kleiman:My memory of Karklins is that he was not a consenss builder - he was a GAC builder<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:That is what I pulled from the records. NEarly wrote a whole chapter on the expansion of the GAC role....<br>
Ayden Férdeline:we cannot hold Karklins accountable<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Are thre commitments we can have him make?<br>
Elsa Saade:we can say that we are very wary about the role Karklins will play. we can proceed with him in good faith, but if at any point, he shows bias leading to bypassing ncsg, the.n we’ll make a case for it loud and clear<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Any type of checklist we can impose now - prior agreements - and if he violates, he has to leave?<br>
Kathy Kleiman:It's harsh, but it's an intermediary position<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Keep an eye out for the new bahavioural guidelines that the OMbudsman will be shaking at us, it is intended to empower Chairs.<br>
Elsa Saade:pdp 3.0 could be one way to have leverage<br>
Amr Elsadr:The Council liaison doesn't necessarily have to be a member/alternate of the EPDP Team.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Read those guidelines everybody. They are meant to control behaviour of committee members.<br>
Ayden Férdeline:sounds troubling<br>
Kathy Kleiman:sigh<br>
Elsa Saade:oh interesting <br>
Kathy Kleiman:we only need behaviorial guidelines for truly outlier actions<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:I understand that there have been situations that prompted their development, but this one is in the be-careful-waht- you-ask-for bucket<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Aren't all members of the EPDP entitled to a sense of security - that their views will be heard and their work will be valued?<br>
Amr Elsadr:I'd prefer a small leadership team than a large one.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:All children have the right to live in a happy home, but that does not stop domestic vilence<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:(okay maybe that example is a bit extreme....)<br>
Amr Elsadr:There are no plans to ammend the charter at all.<br>
Amr Elsadr:Why would a change to the charter be required?<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:having the second candidate as a vice hchair would make me a lot happier<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, as long as we can have several vice chairs without amending the charter it's good <br>
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I hope NOT.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Then we could leave the job of controlling bias in the chair to the vice chair.<br>
Amr Elsadr:Several VCs can be messy. And I don't believe there is any need to change the charter anyway.<br>
Tatiana Tropina:ah okay good, Rafik. Because I do believe that in this case it's not a council matter it's EPDP matter <br>
Kathy Kleiman:What about Chris as Co-Chair?<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:So can our councillors raise that option, if we fail to get a change in Chair selection?<br>
Tatiana Tropina:but that's what I was trying to say, if it doesn't concern the charter than it's EPDP level <br>
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: Please NO!! :D<br>
Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - Karklins is not a process guy. He's a dictator<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Chris is a t least a process guy...<br>
Elsa Saade:rafik, we did not really get to consensus! that worries me<br>
Ayden Férdeline:why didn't our member on Council leadership consult with us?<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: And my understanding is that he didn't apply until after the extension to the deadline.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:@Amr, I've seen Chris operate publicliy and privately. At least he is fair.<br>
Tatiana Tropina:My question is what are we going to get strategically from standing against the guy. <br>
Tatiana Tropina:except him hating us even more at the end if we don't have enough support <br>
Tatiana Tropina:I guess we can flag unhappiness <br>
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: If Karklins gives us trouble, I (and others, I suspect) will not make his job easy for him. I'd prefer to wait and see how he works out, then react appropriately.<br>
Ayden Férdeline:@Tatiana - yes, that's the fear . - we really can'toppose him now, we have to rubber stamp him because of the position we have been put in<br>
Tatiana Tropina:I much prefer Chris who is a professional mediator <br>
Elsa Saade:i think we. should really take advantage of the fact that procedures are being built by gnso to hold chairs accountable<br>
Kathy Kleiman:But we could request a co-chair or additional vice chair<br>
Amr Elsadr:I don't believe that Karklins or La Hatte are ideal chair options for any PDP, let alone one as complex as this one.<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Ayden, I don't want to rubber stamp anyone. I was one of the first raising unhappiness... I am wondering what we can do strategically. <br>
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, am with you, except that I'd prefer a professinal mediator to GAC/WIPO guy <br>
Ayden Férdeline:i would also like us to re-assess Council leadership. if communication isn't going to improve, and it isn't because it has been atrocious for a year now, it is time for us to investigate changing it<br>
Amr Elsadr:There's a WIPO guy co-chairing the RPMs PDP. :-)<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Is Karklins also working for WIPO?<br>
Ayden Férdeline:Karklins is the chair of WIPO's General Assembly<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, the RPM WIPO guy is fine :) he has nice co-chairs <br>
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No, but he chairs the WIPO GA at the UN.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:WIPO wants accessa nd WIPO works for IPC<br>
Ayden Férdeline:i think Chris as co-chair is the only real option we can consider now<br>
Amr Elsadr:I fail to see how that is a real option.<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Can we realistically get CPH supporting us on co chair or whatever option <br>
Tatiana Tropina:till Thursday <br>
Kathy Kleiman:Brian Beckham is very nice, but he also meets regularly withIPC and no other SGs<br>
Kathy Kleiman:(RPM WG)<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:WIPO would be a good choice on RPMs. NOt on compliance with GDPR.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:I cannot believe I am having to argue about this.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:I can see not wanting to vote against Karklins directly, but the idea of having co-chairs might help -- a lot<br>
Elsa Saade:it is a bad situation for sure, but what can be done at the moment?<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Amr we cannot let process defeat us.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Spoken by a former bureaucrat. You have to know when you are about to be hung on your own process<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:they should not have announced the winner prior to discussion at Council. <br>
Ayden Férdeline:completely agree Stephanie<br>
Kathy Kleiman:@Stephanie - agreed.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:If that does not indicate the favoured position I don't know what does....That in itself is an abuse of process.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:@Amr - we don't have access to people who will work that many hours as a leader for free<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Check the two letters that went to the candidates.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Chris was told thanks for applying....Karklins was told he was leader subject to vote at council<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Amr, I agree with you. I am very very unhappy with the WIPO guy, but I just don't see how voting him down will benefit us and see how it will damage <br>
Kathy Kleiman:Where is CPH?<br>
Tatiana Tropina:if necessary, I will vote against him and raise my concerns. But I do not see how we can do anything without CPH support and am not sure we have it <br>
Amr Elsadr:Chris annonced on FB that he applied for the job early on in the process (before the deadline extension).<br>
Elsa Saade:are we the only unhappy ones?<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, we are the only unhappy and loud <br>
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: check the GNSO WG Guidelines.<br>
Rafik Dammak:appeal 3.7<br>
Kathy Kleiman:That's interesting that CPH is not raising concerns...<br>
Kathy Kleiman:I would think they would have similar issues to NCSG<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:I believe that the contracted parties are prepared to support this person. They have not objected. They are getting what they want through the TSG perhaps??<br>
Kathy Kleiman:But they probably don't remember Karklins...<br>
Elsa Saade:might be worthwhile reaching out<br>
Kathy Kleiman:+1<br>
Kathy Kleiman:and to see if they would like Chris as a Co-Chair or Vice<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:I certainly raised my objections on the skype coordination channel.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Make sure you specify Chris Lahatte, or we will get Chris Disspain....<br>
Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Hi all<br>
Kathy Kleiman::-)<br>
Elsa Saade:and Steph was there no reaction?<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:not really<br>
Elsa Saade:interesting<br>
Amr Elsadr:Contracted Parties seem to be ok with Karklins being appointed.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Elliot is now working with Steve del Bianco on the trust model...ie who accredits<br>
Amr Elsadr:..., or at least willing to give him a try before passing judgment. Not sure what they are basing their reasoning on.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:problem will be what to do if I am correct AMr.<br>
Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I believe irrespective of who the chair is , it is good we know the outlook of the chair...we can be determine to maintain our interest all through the process.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:None of them were around when Karklins was GAC chair, nor are they expert on govt overreach<br>
Amr Elsadr:If WE are correct, and he turns out to be a difficult Chair, it'll mean a lot more work on our part in terms of working with/against him.<br>
Elsa Saade:yea i think if we hold back it could be interpreted as bad faith<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:what do you mean hold back? I don't think objecting to the lack of neutrality of a chair is showing bad faith. <br>
Elsa Saade:by holding back i mean voting no without a suggesion<br>
Elsa Saade:suggestion*<br>
Amr Elsadr:I had no problem with how reporting to the Council was done for phase 1. I believe all GNSO SGs/Cs had all the info they needed, either via the liaison, or their reps on the EPDP Team.<br>
Elsa Saade:trying to understand CPH’s silence on Karklins<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:Welll I think the order of procedures is as follows: 1 object to the lack of neutrality of the Chair, on WIPO and former GAC chair grounds. Demand an explanation of how he has committed to neutrality whilst maintaining his role at WIPO.<br>
Ayden Férdeline:so glad you were happy with the reporting Amr!<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: So I'm happy, and you're glad. :-)<br>
<a href="http://stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:2</a>. Ask for a control meausre in the event that council insists on his selection. POint out the contempt for council inherent in sending option 2 candidate away prior to the vote , or indeed even announcing prior to the Council discussion. <br>
Elsa Saade:honestly? i’ve been incessantly talking about this on council. im not entirely sure how long i can hold my breath on this<br>
<a href="http://stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:3</a>. Suggest some workarounds....chris as vice chair, David from the Mediation team as vice chair, etc. Choose another vice chair, I would be happy to be vice chair.<br>
Elsa Saade:and i’ve asked over and over again for us to post our reasons in detail for why we’re making such a decision<br>
Rafik Dammak:yes<br>
Elsa Saade:i dont think that happened really<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:yes<br>
Elsa Saade:<question> what kind of precedent are we setting by approving this recommendation? <endquestion><br>
Kathy Kleiman:other options sound good!<br>
Elsa Saade:id like to know ur thoughts folks<br>
Kathy Kleiman:has anyone reached out to you?<br>
Kathy Kleiman:(NCSG?)<br>
Martin Silva Valent:nice to know I wasn't that crazy to oppose to this !<br>
Elsa Saade:wish i could speak<br>
Elsa Saade: but ill send thoughts on the list<br>
Elsa Saade:i think Amr raised very interesting questions about this in Kobe (IDNs)<br>
Elsa Saade:i think there should be a council liaison normally<br>
Elsa Saade:that is not procedural though<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:we are not going to get to the discussion on membership on the GNSO drafting team for IANA transition ....we need someone who was on the CCWG to join. I do not have sufficient background to be effective, am just holding the fort.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Hi All-- I have to run. Tx for the meeting.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:Quicck note that SubPro is now in final negotiation of key rules for New gTLDs.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:And we need more people and more voices to defend our positions.<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:We also need to appoint Julf as our voting member on the Auction proceeds, requires a formal notification to give him the vote.<br>
Kathy Kleiman:We worked really hard on our comments, many of which are minority. They will help protect future new registries from all over the world. If we can defend them :-)<br>
Elsa Saade:good luck Amr!<br>
Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Elsa. I don't plan on working too hard on the IRT. Just keep an eye on things, and only intervene if/when I believe there might be problems. Hopefully, there won't be any.<br>
Rafik Dammak:most of the work in implementation is done by staff but the IRT members are there to monitor ensure that doesnt derail from the apporved policy recommendation<br>
Elsa Saade:yea I’ve recently gone through IRT procedures and process<br>
Elsa Saade:ah yes! <br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:the problem on this one will be implementing access prior to deciding the policy<br>
Elsa Saade:<comment> i think Kathy mentioned New gTLD SubPro earlier in the chat - and the need for our comments to be taken into consideration <endcomment><br>
Amr Elsadr:@Rafik: Sure. Thanks.<br>
Amr Elsadr:Anybody have any feedback on a DPIA being flagged at this point?<br>
Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Lookin' at you!! ;-)<br>
Elsa Saade:there has been some talk about another public comment round but its not for sure<br>
Rafik Dammak:thanks Elsa<br>
Amr Elsadr:Lost Stephanie's audio.<br>
Elsa Saade:same<br>
Elsa Saade:we always mention how much we think HIT sessions are not useful<br>
Elsa Saade:especially in policy meetings<br>
Tatiana Tropina:Let me think a bit <br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:exactly Fik, this is the problem<br>
Pascal Bekono:thanks Stephanie<br>
Julf Helsingius:Attendance numbers have been very low<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:no wonder, they have been spinning in circles for over a year now...<br>
stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca:has it been two years?<br>
Julf Helsingius:feels like forever<br>
Elsa Saade:thanks Rafik<br>
Elsa Saade:bye all - and let’s follow up on the list<br>
Bukola Oronti:Thanks All<br>
Olga Kyryliuk:Thanks Rafik and all<br>
Juan Manuel Rojas:Thanls all<br>
Juan Manuel Rojas:*Thanks <br>
Taiwo Peter Akinremi:Thanks<br>
Pascal Bekono:Many Thanks Rafik, I will email you <br>
Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.<br>
Julf Helsingius:Thanks and bye!<br>
Tatiana Tropina:thanks Rafik and all <br>
Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):thank you all<br>
Farell:Bye all<br>
avri doria:bye, thanks<br>
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