Attendance and Recording | Monthly NCSG Policy Call | 22 May 2018; 12:00 UTC
Remmy Nweke
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Tue May 22 15:17:15 EEST 2018
Apologies people,
I missed this meeting but have read through the transcript.
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Remmy
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On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please find attendance and recording of the Monthly NCSG Policy Call on 22
> May 2018 at 12:00 UTC.
>
>
>
> Attendance: Farell Folly, Bruna Martins Santos, Olga Kyryliuk, Flavio
> Andre Garces Heredia, Konan Montresor, Rafik Dammak, Caleb Ogundele, Ayden
> Ferdeline, Tatiana Tropina, Martin Silva, Poncelet Ileleji, Shah Rahman,
> Vrikson Acosta, Farzaneh Badii, G Z Kabir, Stephanie Perrin, Ziyam Abdeen,
> Thato Mfikwe, Olevie Kouami, Avri Doria, Joan Katambi, Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> | Staff: Adam Peake, Maryam Bakoshi
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> *Transcript* will be posted once received to:
> https://community.icann.org/x/Bh7xAg
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>
> *Chat:*
>
> 05/22/2018 12:34:54 PM from Rafik Dammak to All Participants:
>
> thanks Julie1
>
> 05/22/2018 12:35:00 PM from Rafik Dammak to All Participants:
>
> oups :)
>
> 05/22/2018 12:36:34 PM from Maryam Bakoshi to All Participants:
>
> Dear All, welcome to the Monthly NCSG Policy Call on Tuesday
> 22 May 2018 at 1200 UTC
>
> 05/22/2018 13:00:49 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> Good morning, everyone!
>
> 05/22/2018 13:02:03 PM from Rafik Dammak to All Participants:
>
> hi all
>
> 05/22/2018 13:02:33 PM from Shah Rahman to All Participants:
>
> hello Rafik
>
> 05/22/2018 13:02:54 PM from Tatiana Tropina to All Participants:
>
> Hi all
>
> 05/22/2018 13:03:21 PM from Flavio Andre Garces Heredia to All
> Participants:
>
> Hi all, i am Flavio from Colombia :D
>
> 05/22/2018 13:03:27 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> hi Flavio!
>
> 05/22/2018 13:03:39 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> hi all
>
> 05/22/2018 13:03:42 PM from Flavio Andre Garces Heredia to All
> Participants:
>
> :D
>
> 05/22/2018 13:13:27 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> test, sorry to be late
>
> 05/22/2018 13:13:36 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> test is working
>
> 05/22/2018 13:14:39 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> I think council should work on styling their agenda more. like
> beautify it. and make it look better ...
>
> 05/22/2018 13:15:11 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> the agenda looks better in Adobe Connect... it's actually
> legible!! :)
>
> 05/22/2018 13:16:15 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> if you struggle to read it, like me, the pdf agenda is here
> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-
> attach/agenda-council-24may18-en.pdf
>
> 05/22/2018 13:16:16 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> jajajaja
>
> 05/22/2018 13:16:46 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> struglle? I almost went blind. also probably we need to aadd
> topic related pictures
>
> 05/22/2018 13:16:52 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> thanks for the link
>
> 05/22/2018 13:16:53 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> thanks Ayden, and yes Farzi, is unnecesary criptic
>
> 05/22/2018 13:17:26 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> is there any comment from Gannon, our rep?
>
> 05/22/2018 13:19:04 PM from Thato Mfikwe to All Participants:
>
> Hi all, cant hear anything, maybe it is my settings.
>
> 05/22/2018 13:19:26 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> YES
>
> 05/22/2018 13:19:29 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> i can hear
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> 05/22/2018 13:19:29 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> we can hear you !
>
> 05/22/2018 13:19:39 PM from Shah Rahman to All Participants:
>
> yes
>
> 05/22/2018 13:19:40 PM from Flavio Andre Garces Heredia to All
> Participants:
>
> we can hear you
>
> 05/22/2018 13:20:23 PM from Thato Mfikwe to All Participants:
>
> Ok
>
> 05/22/2018 13:21:06 PM from Konan Montresor to All Participants:
>
> hello all
>
> 05/22/2018 13:21:13 PM from Ziyam Abdeen to All Participants:
>
> Thanks for the link
>
> 05/22/2018 13:29:04 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> for ATRT, I really don't think we should postpone it
>
> 05/22/2018 13:29:19 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> but agree with your point.
>
> 05/22/2018 13:31:01 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> I can see you feel strongly about this one Rafik, and I agree
> with what you are saying, but I want to make a small point about process.
>
> 05/22/2018 13:31:14 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> me???
>
> 05/22/2018 13:31:38 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> I got voluntold again :) result of having a big mouth. sure
>
> 05/22/2018 13:32:08 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
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> fair point on the review team members Ayden
>
> 05/22/2018 13:43:31 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> very gracefully!
>
> 05/22/2018 13:47:54 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> I don't like this chat part of WebEX. Adobe lets me express
> myself better.... Bring back adobeee
>
> 05/22/2018 13:49:53 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> None of the disruptors from the RDS group participated in that
> call.
>
> 05/22/2018 13:50:52 PM from Tatiana Tropina to All Participants:
>
> I hope we will be on dobe next time
>
> 05/22/2018 13:50:57 PM from Tatiana Tropina to All Participants:
>
> *Adobe
>
> 05/22/2018 13:51:37 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> we need our dobe dose!
>
> 05/22/2018 13:51:49 PM from Thato Mfikwe to All Participants:
>
> :)
>
> 05/22/2018 13:52:18 PM from Tatiana Tropina to All Participants:
>
> Farz, it's a heavy drug :)
>
> 05/22/2018 13:53:49 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> we really just have 3.5 months!
>
> 05/22/2018 13:54:09 PM from Rafik Dammak to All Participants:
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> @Ayden see it as a PDP bootcamp :)
>
> 05/22/2018 13:56:40 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> new hand
>
> 05/22/2018 13:57:15 PM from Farell Folly to All Participants:
>
> Sorry Guys, I have to leave you in 20 min. I am very sorry.
> Will listen to the record. Thanks for your understanding.
>
> 05/22/2018 13:57:50 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> thanks for attending Farrell!
>
> 05/22/2018 13:58:02 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> we need a budget for legal advice from day 1 of the EPDP, i
> think telephoning into every call, and i am almost tempted to say we should
> make the EPDP do a three week long face to face and not leave LA until they
> have an initial report ready and agreed... ;-) need to work differently on
> this one
>
> 05/22/2018 13:58:25 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> I agree...
>
> 05/22/2018 14:01:19 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> is there any benefit to an external facilitator, i.e. a trade
> negotiator, with no knowledge of WHOIS, being the chair?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:01:46 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
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> (aside from animosity because they'd be paid thousands of
> dollars an hour and we're volunteers)
>
> 05/22/2018 14:04:10 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> I was actually thinking along those lines, but we would have
> to influence the contract or ICANN will pick a Washington type. No
> washington negotiator/lobbiest would be acceptable to me, to determine an
> EU law compliant approach
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:07 PM from Rafik Dammak to All Participants:
>
> link to email with all notes, recordings and document
> presenting the models https://listserv.syr.edu/
> scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1805&L=NCSG-DISCUSS&X=2B503811B950D0BB2E&Y=rafik.
> dammak%40gmail.com&P=80302
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:10 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> Thomas Rickert would be a great choice, seasoned trusted Chair
> and knows the law :-)
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:18 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> and we have no budget... where will ICANN org find the $ from
> for this, i wonder?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:26 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> Thomas Rickert would be brilliant
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:43 PM from Rafik Dammak to All Participants:
>
> @Stephanie Thomas is good but not really neutral on the matter
> ;)
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:50 PM from Avri to All Participants:
>
> And he is good at neutrality when in the role
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:52 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> different issue Farz, much less polarizing.
>
> 05/22/2018 14:05:54 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
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> i think he is objective
>
> 05/22/2018 14:06:06 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
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> Yes I know Fik, it was kind of a joke...
>
> 05/22/2018 14:06:11 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
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> but he is a great chair
>
> 05/22/2018 14:07:12 PM from Avri to All Participants:
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> Are co-chairs being considered, two people who are good at
> neutrality from each side of the issue
>
> 05/22/2018 14:07:30 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> can we talk about whether we should involve the other SO ACs?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:07:39 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> as observers, sure, but as members?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:07:59 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> what if the GAC sends us someone from the US gov and ALAC
> sends us the RDS RT Chair?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:08:21 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> so these are the things we need to put in the excel sheet
>
> 05/22/2018 14:08:31 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> who is coming up with the pros and cons?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:08:31 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> I think a professional alternative dispute resolution person
> could call the chairs whenever there was bias shown. WHile I think CHuck
> Gomes is a great chair, he should have called the disruptors more often
> than he did, and The Ombudsman was not really helpful, also did not
> intervene.
>
> 05/22/2018 14:08:33 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> :)
>
> 05/22/2018 14:09:50 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> 3.5 months to get a first draft, there will need to be a face
> to face between meetings for this group to make progress, i reckon
>
> 05/22/2018 14:09:58 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> you may count on it, the ALAC liaison will want to be there
>
> 05/22/2018 14:10:26 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> I think it will be very difficult to exclude the GAC.
>
> 05/22/2018 14:10:54 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> oh someeomne put the chair on hold
>
> 05/22/2018 14:10:54 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
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> And with 100 new members, it will be difficult to find
> experienced folks.
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:00 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> what? are all on hold?!
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:01 PM from Rafik Dammak to All Participants:
>
> can you hear me?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:04 PM from Tatiana Tropina to All Participants:
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> no
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:05 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
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> no i can't Rafik
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:09 PM from Peter Taiwo Akinremi to All Participants:
>
> Hi all
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:12 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
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> yes
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:12 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> yes
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:12 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> now yes
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:14 PM from Peter Taiwo Akinremi to All Participants:
>
> Yes
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:14 PM from Flavio Andre Garces Heredia to All
> Participants:
>
> yes
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:14 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> now yes
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:15 PM from Tatiana Tropina to All Participants:
>
> yes now we can
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:23 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> jejeje
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:33 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> that was trippy
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:38 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> not funny!
>
> 05/22/2018 14:11:38 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> indeed
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:06 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> is someone taking the Release of one .com?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:25 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> good!
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:35 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> Join us, Martin
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:37 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> !1
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:45 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> sure
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:46 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> oh my god I volunteered for .com public comment ... totally
> forgot
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:51 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> jajaja
>
> 05/22/2018 14:14:57 PM from Flavio Andre Garces Heredia to All
> Participants:
>
> where we can join those open public comment?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:15:00 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> haha
>
> 05/22/2018 14:15:13 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> we have to stop Farzaneh from volunteering
>
> 05/22/2018 14:15:16 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> Flávio, for each of them Rafik sets a placeholder google docs
>
> 05/22/2018 14:15:23 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> and he also sends the calls on the list
>
> 05/22/2018 14:15:34 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> and we can simply say: Hi, i want to join!
>
> 05/22/2018 14:15:56 PM from Flavio Andre Garces Heredia to All
> Participants:
>
> oh great, thanks Bruna :D
>
> 05/22/2018 14:17:26 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> I can do a comment on RPM if you want, we have something
> coming up
>
> 05/22/2018 14:19:52 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> I thought we managed to kill that proposal?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:21:50 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> we managed to soften it, but is not dead
>
> 05/22/2018 14:22:01 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> sure
>
> 05/22/2018 14:22:13 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
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> dead is better than softened :)
>
> 05/22/2018 14:22:58 PM from Martin Silva to All Participants:
>
> ajjaja
>
> 05/22/2018 14:24:50 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> I will, most definitely map out the discussions and send an
> update to the list soon
>
> 05/22/2018 14:27:34 PM from Farzaneh Badii to All Participants:
>
> the number of times Stephanie says ICANN's failure :))
>
> 05/22/2018 14:30:08 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> I think it is the hangover from writing the dissertation....I
> had to clean out all the biased language and pretend to be neutral
> there....now I have a slingshot effect happening.
>
> 05/22/2018 14:30:13 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> :-)
>
> 05/22/2018 14:35:17 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> can you hear me?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:35:19 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> no
>
> 05/22/2018 14:35:25 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> now?
>
> 05/22/2018 14:35:56 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> Yes, this is very interesting Steph! Discussion on a data
> protection law is at full speed here in brazil and we have been hearing
> some absurd coments such as: GDPR is not a fight for more rights, the user
> cannot fully exercise the rights we gave them.
>
> 05/22/2018 14:43:00 PM from Avri to All Participants:
>
> There is a footnote about this that state that if the views
> happen they will be funded and i think it explains the mechanism. But yes
> it is tilting toward not doing the review
>
>
>
> 05/22/2018 14:43:15 PM from Avri to All Participants:
>
> ... if the reviews happen ...
>
>
>
> 05/22/2018 14:43:18 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> There are serious limits to what the individual can do on
> his/her own to exercise rights. Just like we regulate roads and water
> quality, we need to ensure sound data protection practices at different
> levels...
>
> 05/22/2018 14:43:40 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> me me !
>
> 05/22/2018 14:45:33 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> There is a need to evaluate ROI from ALAC. They want to do
> policy work, but we need a critical analysis of what their output is.
>
> 05/22/2018 14:45:44 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> Just as we do for ourselves, of course....
>
> 05/22/2018 14:45:56 PM from Stephanie Perrin to All Participants:
>
> But their resources are disproportionate....
>
> 05/22/2018 14:47:48 PM from Ayden Férdeline to All Participants:
>
> thanks all
>
> 05/22/2018 14:47:54 PM from Tatiana Tropina to All Participants:
>
> thanks all
>
> 05/22/2018 14:47:55 PM from Peter Taiwo Akinremi to All Participants:
>
> Thanks
>
> 05/22/2018 14:47:55 PM from Bruna Martins Santos to All Participants:
>
> thanks all
>
> 05/22/2018 14:48:02 PM from Shah Rahman to All Participants:
>
> thanks all
>
> 05/22/2018 14:48:03 PM from Olga Kyryliuk to All Participants:
>
> Thanks all
>
> 05/22/2018 14:48:26 PM from Flavio Andre Garces Heredia to All
> Participants:
>
> thanks all
>
> --
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
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