Organizational rep/individual members in elections

[Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix]

Agree with Farzaneh's proposal

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 03:26 Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 11:23, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
> wrote:
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> Dear Farzaneh, all:
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> On Jul 23 01:57, farzaneh badii (farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM) wrote:
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> Here is a suggestion:
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> I believe the way to resolve this issue is: organizational rep who is an
> individual member should decide whether s/he wants to be the official
> representative of the org. If s/he wants to be the official rep, then s/he
> needs to forfeit their individual membership, to prevent double voting. If
> they are willing to be "additional rep" of their organization who cannot
> vote in the elections, then they can keep their individual membership. That
> way, they can freely participate in their individual capacity whenever they
> need to while at the same time be able to represent their organization (but
> not vote).
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> Is this suggestion against the charter?
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> I think this could be doable without charter change, with some caveats.
>
> Specifically, I don't think that could be made automatic, with
> immediate effect or a mere secretarial function, but it could be added
> to the member removal procedures of the EC.
>
> Key paragraph in NCSG charter is this (at end of 2.2.5):
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> "An individual who is a member of or employee of a non commercial
> organization, which is itself a member of the NCSG, may apply for, or
> retain membership, in the NCSG only under the first criteria for
> individual membership, i.e. be an individual noncommercial
> registrant. Such membership is subject to Executive Committee review."
>
> So the EC has the power to remove such members, but it'd have to
> review and decide each case separately and follow the approved member
> removal procedures.
>
> or does it not solve the problem?
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> Depending on details, it might introduce other problems. In particular
> timing issues. Some organizations move slowly and might have trouble
> finding a new representative at a short notice, for example if all their
> members who are interested in NCSG are already individual members and
> would not want to lose their membership.
>
> One way around that would be leaving the EC leeway so they could, for
> example, allow such dual role on the condition that the individual
> voluntarily refrains from voting with their individual vote while
> representing the organization, or make an exception in a case where
> it is known the organization actually explicitly directs their vote.
> Or an exception could be made temporarily until the organization
> has had enough time to find another representative.
>
> So at this point that would be my suggestion: review the member
> removal procedures (actually I think that process is presently under
> way, unless they've been approved while I was too busy to notice) and
> add text about how the EC should handle this situation. Details are
> debatable but at least the EC should be able to remove a member who
> seems to be "gaming the system" this way.
>
> Also, let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is no "serious
> compromise" in the system.
>
>
> Yes. This is not all that big a problem, I don't see any major
> disaster looming whichever way we do it, nor any reason to rush it.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
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> Kris Seeburn
> seeburn.k at gmail.com
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