<div dir="auto">Agree with Farzaneh's proposal </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 03:26 Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">+1 <br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 23, 2018, at 11:23, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_534957104174617111Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>Dear Farzaneh, all:<br><br>On Jul 23 01:57, farzaneh badii (<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>) wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Here is a suggestion:<br><br>I believe the way to resolve this issue is: organizational rep who is an<br>individual member should decide whether s/he wants to be the official<br>representative of the org. If s/he wants to be the official rep, then s/he<br>needs to forfeit their individual membership, to prevent double voting. If<br>they are willing to be "additional rep" of their organization who cannot<br>vote in the elections, then they can keep their individual membership. That<br>way, they can freely participate in their individual capacity whenever they<br>need to while at the same time be able to represent their organization (but<br>not vote).<br><br>Is this suggestion against the charter?<br></blockquote><br>I think this could be doable without charter change, with some caveats.<br><br>Specifically, I don't think that could be made automatic, with<br>immediate effect or a mere secretarial function, but it could be added<br>to the member removal procedures of the EC.<br><br>Key paragraph in NCSG charter is this (at end of 2.2.5):<br><br>"An individual who is a member of or employee of a non commercial<br>organization, which is itself a member of the NCSG, may apply for, or<br>retain membership, in the NCSG only under the first criteria for<br>individual membership, i.e. be an individual noncommercial<br>registrant. Such membership is subject to Executive Committee review."<br><br>So the EC has the power to remove such members, but it'd have to<br>review and decide each case separately and follow the approved member<br>removal procedures.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">or does it not solve the problem?<br></blockquote><br>Depending on details, it might introduce other problems. In particular<br>timing issues. Some organizations move slowly and might have trouble<br>finding a new representative at a short notice, for example if all their<br>members who are interested in NCSG are already individual members and<br>would not want to lose their membership.<br><br>One way around that would be leaving the EC leeway so they could, for<br>example, allow such dual role on the condition that the individual<br>voluntarily refrains from voting with their individual vote while<br>representing the organization, or make an exception in a case where<br>it is known the organization actually explicitly directs their vote.<br>Or an exception could be made temporarily until the organization<br>has had enough time to find another representative.<br><br>So at this point that would be my suggestion: review the member<br>removal procedures (actually I think that process is presently under<br>way, unless they've been approved while I was too busy to notice) and<br>add text about how the EC should handle this situation. Details are<br>debatable but at least the EC should be able to remove a member who<br>seems to be "gaming the system" this way.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Also, let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is no "serious<br>compromise" in the system.<br></blockquote><br>Yes. This is not all that big a problem, I don't see any major<br>disaster looming whichever way we do it, nor any reason to rush it.<br><br>-- <br>Tapani Tarvainen<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
<br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Kris Seeburn</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important"><a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">LinkedIn: </span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/</a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">"Life is a Beach, it all depends at how you look at it"</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:s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