NCSG - GAC Meeting

[Zakir Syed]

Hi Remmy, The topic you've mentioned below is important too, but this takes us to Farzaneh's earlier reply to Ganga on the subject, that is: 

"As much as the issues you raised are of importance, they are not within ICANN mission and not what ICANN does. 
At ICANN we do domain name policy so our questions should be related to that."
Best, 
Zakir
      From: Remmy Nweke <remmyn at GMAIL.COM>
 To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:54 AM
 Subject: Re: NCSG - GAC Meeting
   
Hi Farzaneh,It should have been nice to hear GAC view on "Internet Code of Practice" being championed by regulators, which could to a large extent jeopardize the openness of the Internet, especially in developing countries.RegardsRemmy

____REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,  Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, 
DigitalSENSE Africa Media [Multiple-award winning medium]
(DigitalSENSE Business News; ITREALMS, NaijaAgroNet)Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable (June 6-7, 2018Digital Bridge Institute (DBI), Cappa Lagos. JOIN us!!
*Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS)_________________________________________________________________
*Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

I agree with Michael, and yet, I would still keep a few concrete examples in our presentation -- such as trademark and free expression. It is incredibly unfair to me that the official updates to the GAC from the Rights Protection Mechanisms Working come only from the World Intellectual Property Organization and the Intellectual Property Organization. It gives the GAC only one side of the issues and concerns... and it's a great time to start correcting the imbalance!

Best, Kathy


On 2/11/2018 5:13 PM, Michael Karanicolas wrote:

+1 - I think Kathy makes an excellent suggestion.

However, I wonder if we could broaden it out a bit. Someone at the
intersessional (Stephanie?) mentioned a similar issue in line with the
GDPR, and noted that the GAC's position was likely influenced by the
fact that their representatives were drawn from areas connected to IP
and trade, rather than data protection, privacy, human rights, etc.

Could we ask the representatives more generally about how they develop
their policy positions, and whether and how they consult with human
rights/privacy/data protection voices in government, or with domestic
NGOs or civil society voices, in formulating the policy positions that
they bring to ICANN - maybe phrasing the question a bit more broadly
than just asking directly about the RPMs. I feel like this might need
to be approached delicately, but it may be a good question to get the
GAC delegates themselves to reconsider...

Michael

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

Hi Farzi, I would like to talk with the GAC about Free Expression and Due
Process. The GAC has an uncomfortable history of only listening to the
intellectual property community on matters of the RPMs*, but not actually
hearing anything from us about concerns for free expression, fair use and
fair dealing and due process to ensure that organizations', individuals' and
entrepreneurs' domain names (and their entire websites, etc.) are not seized
without a fair process.

Especially with the GAC's interest in human rights, we should talk with them
about the Rights Protections Mechanisms Working Group and why their (GAC's)
concerns for human rights should be playing out in this Working Group as
well as many other parts of ICANN.

Best and tx for asking, Kathy

(By way of background to anyone who is interested:
*RPMs => "rights protections mechanisms" which balance trademark rights and
domain name registrant rights in domain names. The Uniform Dispute
Resolution Policy (UDRP) and Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) are two of the
ways that trademark owners can seek to obtain, suspend and cancel domain
names of registrants. When the domain names happens to be (or include) an
ordinary word, such as fox, a common industry term such as mobile, or a
popular first and last name such as Ashley or Smith, there is a tension
because all of these terms are trademarked, and yet all of these terms are
in use in a myriad of commercial and noncommercial ways. If you are
interested in these issues, please let me know.)


On 2/11/2018 1:20 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:

Dear Ganga,

As much as the issues you raised are of importance, they are not within
ICANN mission and not what ICANN does.

At ICANN we do domain name policy so our questions should be related to
that.

We can talk about Domain Name Abuse and the role of Public Safety Working
Group at GAC.

Anything else members would want to discuss? I need to send them the topics
this week.









Farzaneh

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:26 PM, gangadhar panday
<000004f7f8ca2221-dmarc-reques t at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:

I suggest INTERNET SHUTDOWNS and CHEAPER CONNECTIVITY as  topics for
discussion.
Best wishes - Ganga

On Feb 6, 2018 11:06 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM> wrote:

Thank you for arranging this bilateral, Farzaneh. It is great that we are
continuing the dialogue with the GAC and that they have found the time to
meet with us again. An excellent signal that our profile is rising within
the community. Thanks for all your work making this happen!

Best wishes,

Ayden


-------- Original Message --------
On 6 February 2018 6:38 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>
wrote:

Dear all,

We will have a meeting with GAC in Puerto Rico during ICANN 61 on Monday,
March 12. They have given us a nice early morning meeting, 8.30 to 9 before
the opening ceremony.

Other than GDPR and Privacy, what other topics would you like to discuss?
Consider that we have a limited time, we will compile your suggested topics
and see what will be approved by NCSG PC. When we have decided the topics,
then we will choose some NCSG members who are the subject matter experts to
be present on the podium.

In our last meeting, I opened with a couple of words about NCUC (it was an
NCUC meeting). This time I will tell them what NCSG is breifly.



Best




Farzaneh











   
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-discuss/attachments/20180212/fa4e5dd0/attachment.htm>