NCSG - GAC Meeting

Sun Feb 11 18:52:22 EET 2018

Hi Farzaneh,
It should have been nice to hear GAC view on "Internet Code of Practice"
being championed by regulators, which could to a large extent jeopardize
the openness of the Internet, especially in developing countries.
Regards
Remmy

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On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Michael, and yet, I would still keep a few concrete examples
> in our presentation -- such as trademark and free expression. It is
> incredibly unfair to me that the official updates to the GAC from the
> Rights Protection Mechanisms Working come only from the World Intellectual
> Property Organization and the Intellectual Property Organization. It gives
> the GAC only one side of the issues and concerns... and it's a great time
> to start correcting the imbalance!
>
> Best, Kathy
>
>
>
> On 2/11/2018 5:13 PM, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>
>> +1 - I think Kathy makes an excellent suggestion.
>>
>> However, I wonder if we could broaden it out a bit. Someone at the
>> intersessional (Stephanie?) mentioned a similar issue in line with the
>> GDPR, and noted that the GAC's position was likely influenced by the
>> fact that their representatives were drawn from areas connected to IP
>> and trade, rather than data protection, privacy, human rights, etc.
>>
>> Could we ask the representatives more generally about how they develop
>> their policy positions, and whether and how they consult with human
>> rights/privacy/data protection voices in government, or with domestic
>> NGOs or civil society voices, in formulating the policy positions that
>> they bring to ICANN - maybe phrasing the question a bit more broadly
>> than just asking directly about the RPMs. I feel like this might need
>> to be approached delicately, but it may be a good question to get the
>> GAC delegates themselves to reconsider...
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzi, I would like to talk with the GAC about Free Expression and Due
>>> Process. The GAC has an uncomfortable history of only listening to the
>>> intellectual property community on matters of the RPMs*, but not actually
>>> hearing anything from us about concerns for free expression, fair use and
>>> fair dealing and due process to ensure that organizations', individuals'
>>> and
>>> entrepreneurs' domain names (and their entire websites, etc.) are not
>>> seized
>>> without a fair process.
>>>
>>> Especially with the GAC's interest in human rights, we should talk with
>>> them
>>> about the Rights Protections Mechanisms Working Group and why their
>>> (GAC's)
>>> concerns for human rights should be playing out in this Working Group as
>>> well as many other parts of ICANN.
>>>
>>> Best and tx for asking, Kathy
>>>
>>> (By way of background to anyone who is interested:
>>> *RPMs => "rights protections mechanisms" which balance trademark rights
>>> and
>>> domain name registrant rights in domain names. The Uniform Dispute
>>> Resolution Policy (UDRP) and Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) are two of
>>> the
>>> ways that trademark owners can seek to obtain, suspend and cancel domain
>>> names of registrants. When the domain names happens to be (or include) an
>>> ordinary word, such as fox, a common industry term such as mobile, or a
>>> popular first and last name such as Ashley or Smith, there is a tension
>>> because all of these terms are trademarked, and yet all of these terms
>>> are
>>> in use in a myriad of commercial and noncommercial ways. If you are
>>> interested in these issues, please let me know.)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/11/2018 1:20 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Ganga,
>>>
>>> As much as the issues you raised are of importance, they are not within
>>> ICANN mission and not what ICANN does.
>>>
>>> At ICANN we do domain name policy so our questions should be related to
>>> that.
>>>
>>> We can talk about Domain Name Abuse and the role of Public Safety Working
>>> Group at GAC.
>>>
>>> Anything else members would want to discuss? I need to send them the
>>> topics
>>> this week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:26 PM, gangadhar panday
>>> <000004f7f8ca2221-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suggest INTERNET SHUTDOWNS and CHEAPER CONNECTIVITY as  topics for
>>>> discussion.
>>>> Best wishes - Ganga
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2018 11:06 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for arranging this bilateral, Farzaneh. It is great that we
>>>> are
>>>> continuing the dialogue with the GAC and that they have found the time
>>>> to
>>>> meet with us again. An excellent signal that our profile is rising
>>>> within
>>>> the community. Thanks for all your work making this happen!
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> On 6 February 2018 6:38 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> We will have a meeting with GAC in Puerto Rico during ICANN 61 on
>>>> Monday,
>>>> March 12. They have given us a nice early morning meeting, 8.30 to 9
>>>> before
>>>> the opening ceremony.
>>>>
>>>> Other than GDPR and Privacy, what other topics would you like to
>>>> discuss?
>>>> Consider that we have a limited time, we will compile your suggested
>>>> topics
>>>> and see what will be approved by NCSG PC. When we have decided the
>>>> topics,
>>>> then we will choose some NCSG members who are the subject matter
>>>> experts to
>>>> be present on the podium.
>>>>
>>>> In our last meeting, I opened with a couple of words about NCUC (it was
>>>> an
>>>> NCUC meeting). This time I will tell them what NCSG is breifly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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