NCSG - GAC Meeting

[Raoul Plommer]

>
> It is incredibly unfair to me that the official updates to the GAC from
> the Rights Protection Mechanisms Working come only from the World
> Intellectual Property Organization and the Intellectual Property
> Organization. It gives the GAC only one side of the issues and concerns.


Yes, you could say that again and I was not aware of this one-sidedness. I
support raising this matter.

Is the NCSG PC the more appropriate group to decide on these questions, as
opposed to the NCSG EC?

-Raoul



On 12 February 2018 at 12:22, Zakir Syed <
00000206f69697ca-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:

> Hi Remmy, The topic you've mentioned below is important too, but this
> takes us to Farzaneh's earlier reply to Ganga on the subject, that is:
>
> *"As much as the issues you raised are of importance, they are not within
> ICANN mission and not what ICANN does. *
>
> *At ICANN we do domain name policy so our questions should be related to
> that."*
>
> Best,
> Zakir
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> *From:* Remmy Nweke <remmyn at GMAIL.COM>
> *To:* NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:54 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NCSG - GAC Meeting
>
> Hi Farzaneh,
> It should have been nice to hear GAC view on "Internet Code of Practice"
> being championed by regulators, which could to a large extent jeopardize
> the openness of the Internet, especially in developing countries.
> Regards
> Remmy
>
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> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> wrote:
>
> I agree with Michael, and yet, I would still keep a few concrete examples
> in our presentation -- such as trademark and free expression. It is
> incredibly unfair to me that the official updates to the GAC from the
> Rights Protection Mechanisms Working come only from the World Intellectual
> Property Organization and the Intellectual Property Organization. It gives
> the GAC only one side of the issues and concerns... and it's a great time
> to start correcting the imbalance!
>
> Best, Kathy
>
>
>
> On 2/11/2018 5:13 PM, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>
> +1 - I think Kathy makes an excellent suggestion.
>
> However, I wonder if we could broaden it out a bit. Someone at the
> intersessional (Stephanie?) mentioned a similar issue in line with the
> GDPR, and noted that the GAC's position was likely influenced by the
> fact that their representatives were drawn from areas connected to IP
> and trade, rather than data protection, privacy, human rights, etc.
>
> Could we ask the representatives more generally about how they develop
> their policy positions, and whether and how they consult with human
> rights/privacy/data protection voices in government, or with domestic
> NGOs or civil society voices, in formulating the policy positions that
> they bring to ICANN - maybe phrasing the question a bit more broadly
> than just asking directly about the RPMs. I feel like this might need
> to be approached delicately, but it may be a good question to get the
> GAC delegates themselves to reconsider...
>
> Michael
>
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Farzi, I would like to talk with the GAC about Free Expression and Due
> Process. The GAC has an uncomfortable history of only listening to the
> intellectual property community on matters of the RPMs*, but not actually
> hearing anything from us about concerns for free expression, fair use and
> fair dealing and due process to ensure that organizations', individuals'
> and
> entrepreneurs' domain names (and their entire websites, etc.) are not
> seized
> without a fair process.
>
> Especially with the GAC's interest in human rights, we should talk with
> them
> about the Rights Protections Mechanisms Working Group and why their (GAC's)
> concerns for human rights should be playing out in this Working Group as
> well as many other parts of ICANN.
>
> Best and tx for asking, Kathy
>
> (By way of background to anyone who is interested:
> *RPMs => "rights protections mechanisms" which balance trademark rights and
> domain name registrant rights in domain names. The Uniform Dispute
> Resolution Policy (UDRP) and Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) are two of the
> ways that trademark owners can seek to obtain, suspend and cancel domain
> names of registrants. When the domain names happens to be (or include) an
> ordinary word, such as fox, a common industry term such as mobile, or a
> popular first and last name such as Ashley or Smith, there is a tension
> because all of these terms are trademarked, and yet all of these terms are
> in use in a myriad of commercial and noncommercial ways. If you are
> interested in these issues, please let me know.)
>
>
> On 2/11/2018 1:20 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>
> Dear Ganga,
>
> As much as the issues you raised are of importance, they are not within
> ICANN mission and not what ICANN does.
>
> At ICANN we do domain name policy so our questions should be related to
> that.
>
> We can talk about Domain Name Abuse and the role of Public Safety Working
> Group at GAC.
>
> Anything else members would want to discuss? I need to send them the topics
> this week.
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> Farzaneh
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:26 PM, gangadhar panday
> <000004f7f8ca2221-dmarc-reques t at listserv.syr.edu
> <000004f7f8ca2221-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu>> wrote:
>
> I suggest INTERNET SHUTDOWNS and CHEAPER CONNECTIVITY as  topics for
> discussion.
> Best wishes - Ganga
>
> On Feb 6, 2018 11:06 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM> wrote:
>
> Thank you for arranging this bilateral, Farzaneh. It is great that we are
> continuing the dialogue with the GAC and that they have found the time to
> meet with us again. An excellent signal that our profile is rising within
> the community. Thanks for all your work making this happen!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 6 February 2018 6:38 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> We will have a meeting with GAC in Puerto Rico during ICANN 61 on Monday,
> March 12. They have given us a nice early morning meeting, 8.30 to 9 before
> the opening ceremony.
>
> Other than GDPR and Privacy, what other topics would you like to discuss?
> Consider that we have a limited time, we will compile your suggested topics
> and see what will be approved by NCSG PC. When we have decided the topics,
> then we will choose some NCSG members who are the subject matter experts to
> be present on the podium.
>
> In our last meeting, I opened with a couple of words about NCUC (it was an
> NCUC meeting). This time I will tell them what NCSG is breifly.
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> Best
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> Farzaneh
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