Meeting with CEO

Fri Aug 17 10:05:04 EEST 2018

Dear Amr,

I am NOT sure about the objective of your question regarding why people are asking about issues related to diversity. For the sake of my own understanding, I would like to know whether you are attending the meeting with CEO alongside Farzaneh.

I would like to elaborate on the issue since I am part of those who tackled it. I don’t know if you followed our discussions within this mailing list for the last year…. I think the question was raised many times and even some public comments pointed it out elegantly (for instance our comments on the CCWG-Accountability WS2 draft report, also during the diversity questionnaire, fellowship programme, etc. just to name a few). 

An official ICANN’s report <https://www.afnic.fr/medias/documents/Dossiers_pour_actualites/2016_Icann_Diversity_Data.pdf> (in 2016) clearly showed the Org’s figures regarding diversity and many recommendations have made to improve those figures. Therefore, it seems legitimate to me to take any opportunity to tackle this issue. And as you have a concrete exemple regarding visas for meetings, there are many others things to tackle (maybe not during a single meeting with the CEO, but critical to address by us as noncommercial users.).  Recently we had a public comment on an SSAC review and diversity of the membership was one of the issue that was addressed by us as NCSG. Certainly, it does not make sense, at this stage, to ask such an operational question to a CEO but it worths knowing his vision/goals/achievements at a strategic level. Addressing one thing at a time will be helpful and will eradicate the issue on a long-term

> There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be improved?

If the bylaws alone were sufficient, the ICANN diversity report would have shown only positive figures and drawn only positive conclusions, but it was not the case. That says it all. Concrete actions at a both strategic and ops levels are required and we have the duty to monitor them continuously and assess their effectiveness and efficiency.

@__f_f__

Best Regards
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(Ekue) Farell FOLLY
NCUC Rep. to the NCSG Policy Committee
linkedin.com/in/farellf 

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 14:45, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at ICANNPOLICY.NINJA> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would very much like some elaboration on the diversity concern, so would be grateful for any elaborations that could be provided. What specific concerns do folks have regarding diversity, and are there any concrete solutions any of the many proponents for this topic would like to propose?
> 
> There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be improved?
> 
> The issue of improving the process to secure visas for ICANN meeting participants is a concrete example that I can support. Might be a good topic to bring up, but I’m trying to understand what the broader concerns might be, especially that there seem to be so many who believe that improvements to diversity is desirable.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Amr
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:08 PM, MAURICIA ABDOL <ladymauriciaa12 at gmail.com <mailto:ladymauriciaa12 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Farazaneh,
>> 
>> I am interested in knowing how ICANN intends ensuring diversity is observed throughout the organisation especially at the key decision making tables. 
>> 
>> I am happy to elaborate if necessary. 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Mauricia 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Aug 2018 10:36 pm, "Mamadou LO" <alfamamadou at hotmail.com <mailto:alfamamadou at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> +1 Benjamin on broader participation regarding visas and venues.
>> Cordially
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>> De : Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at GMAIL.COM <mailto:benakin at GMAIL.COM>>
>> Date : 16/08/2018 17:27 (GMT+00:00)
>> À : NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>> Objet : Re: Meeting with CEO
>> 
>> Dear Farzenah,
>> Awesome that you have another opportunity to interact with ICANN CEO, my topics of interest include the ones already expressed by Dororthy G and Wisdom  ie broader participation in ICANN and helping improve access to ICANN meetings especially when considering venues.
>> 
>> He should shed more light on how far ICANN is willing to go in adopting open data .
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Benjamin
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 4:07 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>> Do you have references for the case law James?  
>> 
>> Stephanie
>> On 2018-08-15 13:18, James Gannon wrote:
>>> I would disagree as would some case law.
>>> Having been the subject of near interrogation over the same topic I speak from experience.
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 19:10, Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com <mailto:mkaranicolas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I agree. There is a strong public interest to tracking expenses of this type. I don't consider the fact that a person has requested/received an exemption to be particularly sensitive, given that there's no need to publish any details about the specifics underlying that exemption (the actual medical information). 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>> This is a legitimate concern, but it something that can be managed. Other organisations which publish similar data (government, grant issuing agencies) have ways of managing this, which ICANN might be able to learn from.
>>>> 
>>>> Ayden
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:41, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The concern I know was raised previously is that it can be determined who has asked and received a medical exemption from the travel and flight policy hence may be considered for those people personal information.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:19, Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM <mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Claire,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, it is a balancing act, but with the exception of names, the travel report does not directly contain any personal information. It used to have the cost of a flight, for instance - but never the city of departure or any other identifying information. Much like we expect elected representatives in government to disclose their expenses, I think it is reasonable for those who are receiving financial support from ICANN to disclose the extent of this relationship by way of documents like the travel report.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 15:03, Claire Craig <claireccraig at GMAIL.COM <mailto:claireccraig at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Interesting Ayden. We really have to insist on balancing transparency and privacy otherwise, before we know it everything could be justified and private hence outside of the purview of the community. 
>>>>>>> CCC
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 17:55, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> While we would certainly like to see ICANN act in a more privacy-minded fashion, we would also like to see ICANN remain appropriately transparent and accountable. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It might be worth asking to see the Privacy Impact Assessment (if any) that ICANN org conducted prior to redacting the travel reports of all meaningful data. They are now useless, as the financial information has been redacted, with ICANN org attributing this change to “privacy laws.” 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:49, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM <mailto:farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear members
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I will have a meeting with the CEO on Friday the 17th. The issues that I have in mind to discuss with him are:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Unified  Access Model and NCSG perspective. (we had some preliminary discussions on the list about it, hopefully, we will have some common positions which I can relay on Friday.)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cross Community Sessions and dominance of the organizer
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The need to have a more privacy-minded ICANN org and community 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is quite a full agenda and he would want to also talk about issues. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please comment on the current issues by tomorrow and let me know if you have any other topic you would like to be discussed. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>> 
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