<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Amr,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am NOT sure about the objective of your question regarding why people are asking about issues related to diversity. For the sake of my own understanding, I would like to know whether you are attending the meeting with CEO alongside Farzaneh.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">I would like to elaborate on the issue since I am part of those who tackled it. I don’t know if you followed our discussions within this mailing list for the last year…. I think the question was raised many times and even some public comments pointed it out elegantly (for instance our comments on the CCWG-Accountability WS2 draft report, also during the diversity questionnaire, fellowship programme, etc. just to name a few)<font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">. </span></font></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">An official ICANN’s </span></span></font><a href="https://www.afnic.fr/medias/documents/Dossiers_pour_actualites/2016_Icann_Diversity_Data.pdf" class="">report</a><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> (in 2016) clearly showed the Org’s figures regarding diversity and many recommendations have made to improve those figures. Therefore, it seems </span></span><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">legitimate to me to take any opportunity to tackle this issue. And as you have a concrete exemple regarding visas for meetings, there are many others things to tackle (maybe not during a single meeting with the CEO, but critical to address by us as noncommercial users.). Recently we had a public comment on an SSAC review and diversity of the membership was one of the issue that was addressed by us as NCSG. Certainly, it does not make sense, at this stage, to ask such an operational question to a CEO but it worths knowing his vision/goals/achievements at a strategic level. Addressing one thing at a time will be helpful and will eradicate the issue on a long-term</span></font></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be improved?</div></div></blockquote></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">If the bylaws alone were sufficient, the ICANN diversity report would have shown only positive figures and drawn only positive conclusions, but it was not the case. That says it all. Concrete actions at a both strategic and ops levels are required and we have the duty to monitor them </span><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 14px;" class="">continuously and assess their effectiveness and efficiency.</span></font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17 Aug 2018, at 14:45, Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@ICANNPOLICY.NINJA" class="">aelsadr@ICANNPOLICY.NINJA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would very much like some elaboration on the diversity concern, so would be grateful for any elaborations that could be provided. What specific concerns do folks have regarding diversity, and are there any concrete solutions any of the many proponents for this topic would like to propose?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be improved?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The issue of improving the process to secure visas for ICANN meeting participants is a concrete example that I can support. Might be a good topic to bring up, but I’m trying to understand what the broader concerns might be, especially that there seem to be so many who believe that improvements to diversity is desirable.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Amr<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:08 PM, MAURICIA ABDOL <<a href="mailto:ladymauriciaa12@gmail.com" class="">ladymauriciaa12@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Dear Farazaneh,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I am interested in knowing how ICANN intends ensuring diversity is observed throughout the organisation especially at the key decision making tables. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I am happy to elaborate if necessary. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Kind Regards,</div><div dir="auto" class="">Mauricia </div><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 Aug 2018 10:36 pm, "Mamadou LO" <<a href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com" class="">alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="">Awesome that you have another opportunity to interact with ICANN CEO, my topics of interest include the ones already expressed by Dororthy G and Wisdom ie broader participation in ICANN and helping improve access to ICANN meetings especially when considering
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 4:07 PM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr class="">utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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