Letter from NCSG PC to Swinehart, Atallah, Marby, and Crocker re: GDPR
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA
Tue Oct 24 19:01:00 EEST 2017
THanks for pointing this out Farell. I agree, we regularly have a
fairly small turnout at the policy meetings held every month. THe GDPR
has prompted a lot of fast moving changes. For those of us fighting the
good fight on the RDS group, we felt there was a need to respond somehow
to these letters and events, from which we felt excluded. I agree that
we need to work on how to improve participation whilst not actually
sacrificing output.
cheers Stephanie
On 2017-10-24 16:39, Farell Folly wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> As Nick stated and for the sake of transparency we should always
> circulate such an information to the list prior to any further action
> that will engage the SG. However, I am sure that was a matter ot time
> trade-off for this case in order to quickly run an action ("vis-à vis"
> of deadlines).
>
> Nick, unfortunately, many people on the list use often to not reply
> nor contribute to policy discussions while showing up to complain and
> fight others. This tends (personal opinion) to not encourage people
> working in the PC. That needs also to be corrected. Finalizing our
> operating procedures will set up all the necessary guidances, I am sure.
>
> Le mar. 24 oct. 2017 à 14:57, Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com
> <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>> a écrit :
>
> Hi Rafik,
>
> Thanks for the clarification. It is therefore my observation is
> that the process in this instance was actually inconsistent with
> the charter, namely:
>
> /"*2.7.7 Participation Rights*/
> / The NCSG Membership shall have the following participation
> rights in regard to the administration and policy development
> processes of the Stakeholder Group"/
> /
> /
> /4. Be given timely notice of all position papers developed by the
> NCSG on the public NCSG email list and afforded an opportunity to
> comment on them;"/
>
> and:
>
> /"*2.5 The Policy Committee*/
> /The NCSG Policy Committee is responsible for:/
> /
> /
> /- Discussion and development of substantive policies issued in
> the name of the NCSG. This activity will require coordination with
> the membership and constituencies;"/
>
>
> I also recall expressing my concern to the sending of a letter
> during the call on 10th October, so would have welcomed the
> opportunity to review any draft letter and support, abstain or
> formalise my objections for it was sent.
>
> I therefore welcome the ideas expressed in Rafik's email of 8
> August for the development of detailed operating procedures
> setting out the working processes for the Policy Committee, and
> agree with Milton that as part of these should be the requirement
> that all statements from the PC should be run through the main
> list beforehand.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Nick
>
> *Nick Shorey*
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>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Mueller, Milton L
> <milton at gatech.edu <mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> wrote:
>
> Statements from the PC should always be run through the main
> list.
>
> Milton L Mueller
> Professor, School of Public Policy
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 21:12, Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM <mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> yes, it is the current NCSG charter.
>> we don't have operating procedures yet on that matter. We
>> started working on those procedures a few months ago with a
>> small drafting team in order to get clear processes
>> (https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000796.html)
>> and avoid ad-hoc approach.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-10-22 8:12 GMT+09:00 Nick Shorey Lists
>> <lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>>:
>>
>> Hi Arsène,
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> Can you (or anyone else) confirm whether V5 (May 2011) is
>> the current NSCG Charter?
>> Link:
>> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=38046240&exitMobile=true
>>
>> In addition to the NCSG charter, are there any other
>> documents / operating procedures that further detail how
>> the Policy Committee operates?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2017, at 18:39, Arsène Tungali
>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> As said by Ayden, the letter was drafter, discussed and
>> agreed upon by our Policy Committee. It was not shared to
>> the NCSG list.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arsene
>>
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
>> about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>
>> +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Nick Shorey
>> <lists at NICKSHOREY.COM <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>
>>> My question was whether the draft document was
>>> circulated to the NCSG list for comment prior to
>>> finalisation.
>>> Can you confirm if this was the case?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> *Nick Shorey*
>>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <tel:+44%207552%20455988>
>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>
>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
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>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Ayden Férdeline
>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
>>> As stated, the letter was prepared by the Policy
>>> Committee in accordance with our charter.
>>>
>>> Regards, Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: Letter from NCSG PC to Swinehart,
>>>> Atallah, Marby, and Crocker re: GDPR
>>>> Local Time: 21 October 2017 4:24 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 21 October 2017 15:24
>>>> From: lists at NICKSHOREY.COM
>>>> <mailto:lists at NICKSHOREY.COM>
>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>
>>>> Was a draft of this document circulated to the list
>>>> for comment prior to finalisation and issuing to ICANN?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> *Nick Shorey*
>>>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988 <tel:+44%207552%20455988>
>>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
>>>> <mailto:lists at nickshorey.com>
>>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin>
>>>> Web: www.nickshorey.com <http://www.nickshorey.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:27 AM, Michael
>>>> Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mkaranicolas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Very well written letter, on a topic of
>>>> importance. Thanks very much for sharing.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Ayden
>>>> Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The Policy Committee circulated a letter
>>>> yesterday to senior ICANN management and to
>>>> the Chair of the Board outlining our
>>>> disappointment in how we are being
>>>> marginalised in conversations surrounding
>>>> ICANN's compliance (or lack thereof) with
>>>> European data protection law.
>>>>
>>>> The gist of our comment was that as active
>>>> participants in the ICANN multistakeholder
>>>> community, we want to participate in the
>>>> policymaking process, and we would like
>>>> both to see and to help ICANN come into
>>>> compliance with data protection law.
>>>>
>>>> I have attached a copy of the letter
>>>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/dammak-to-swinehart-atallah-19oct17-en.pdf>
>>>> that the Chair of the Policy Committee
>>>> sent. This letter was a collaborative
>>>> effort generated in accordance with our
>>>> charter, and followed conversations on our
>>>> Policy Calls where we discussed sending
>>>> official correspondence to ICANN leadership
>>>> on this matter. You will be kept updated if
>>>> a response is received.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Regards
> @__f_f__
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
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