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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">THanks for pointing
this out Farell. I agree, we regularly have a fairly small
turnout at the policy meetings held every month. THe GDPR has
prompted a lot of fast moving changes. For those of us
fighting the good fight on the RDS group, we felt there was a
need to respond somehow to these letters and events, from which
we felt excluded. I agree that we need to work on how to improve
participation whilst not actually sacrificing output.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie</font></font><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-24 16:39, Farell Folly
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As Nick stated and for the sake of transparency we should
always circulate such an information to the list prior to any
further action that will engage the SG. However, I am sure
that was a matter ot time trade-off for this case in order to
quickly run an action ("vis-à vis" of deadlines). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nick, unfortunately, many people on the list use often to
not reply nor contribute to policy discussions while showing
up to complain and fight others. This tends (personal opinion)
to not encourage people working in the PC. That needs also to
be corrected. Finalizing our operating procedures will set up
all the necessary guidances, I am sure.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le mar. 24 oct. 2017 à 14:57, Nick Shorey <<a
href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" moz-do-not-send="true">lists@nickshorey.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Rafik,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the clarification. It is therefore m<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">y
observation is that the process in this instance was
actually inconsistent with the charter, namely:</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><i>"<b>2.7.7 Participation Rights</b></i></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><i> The NCSG Membership shall have the
following participation rights in regard to the
administration and policy development processes of the
Stakeholder Group"</i></font></div>
<div><i><br>
</i></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><i>4. Be given timely notice of all
position papers developed by the NCSG on the public
NCSG email list and afforded an opportunity to comment
on them;"</i><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000">and:</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><i>"<b>2.5 The Policy Committee</b></i></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><i>The NCSG Policy Committee is
responsible for:</i></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><i><br>
</i></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><i>- Discussion and development of
substantive policies issued in the name of the NCSG.
This activity will require coordination with the
membership and constituencies;"</i></font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I
also recall expressing my concern to the sending of a
letter during the call on 10th October, so would have
welcomed the opportunity to review any draft letter and
support, abstain or formalise my objections for it was
sent.</span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I
therefore welcome the ideas expressed in Rafik's email
of 8 August for the development of detailed operating
procedures setting out the </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">working
processes for the Policy Committee, and agree with
Milton that as part of these should be the requirement
that all statements from the PC should be run through
the main list beforehand. </span><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color="#000000">Kind regards,</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">Nick</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:49 PM,
Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span>
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<div>Statements from the PC should always be run
through the main list. <span
class="m_5338734029870740627HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Milton L Mueller
<div>Professor, School of Public Policy</div>
<div>Georgia Institute of Technology</div>
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<div><br>
On Oct 21, 2017, at 21:12, Rafik Dammak <<a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Nick,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>yes, it is the current NCSG
charter. </div>
<div>we don't have operating
procedures yet on that matter. We
started working on those procedures
a few months ago with a small
drafting team in order to get clear
processes (<a
href="https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000796.html"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000796.html</a>)
and avoid ad-hoc approach.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Rafik</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-22 8:12
GMT+09:00 Nick Shorey Lists <span
dir="ltr">
<<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@nickshorey.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Hi Arsène,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the clarification.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Can you (or anyone else)
confirm whether V5 (May 2011) is
the current NSCG Charter?</div>
<div>Link: <a
href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=38046240&exitMobile=true"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=38046240&exitMobile=true</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In addition to the NCSG
charter, are there any other
documents / operating procedures
that further detail how the Policy
Committee operates?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nick</div>
<div>
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<div><br>
On 21 Oct 2017, at 18:39,
Arsène Tungali <<a
href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Hi Nick,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div
id="m_5338734029870740627m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391AppleMailSignature">As
said by Ayden, the letter
was drafter, discussed and
agreed upon by our Policy
Committee. It was not shared
to the NCSG list.</div>
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</div>
<div
id="m_5338734029870740627m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391AppleMailSignature">Regards,</div>
<div
id="m_5338734029870740627m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391AppleMailSignature">Arsene<br>
<br>
<div>-----------------</div>
<div>Arsène Tungali,</div>
<div><a
href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div>
<div><a
href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967"
value="+243993810967"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+243
993810967</a></div>
<div>GPG: 523644A0</div>
<div>Goma, Democratic
Republic of Congo</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Sent from my iPhone (excuse
typos)</div>
<div><br>
On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:44 PM,
Nick Shorey <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@NICKSHOREY.COM</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Ayden,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My question was
whether the draft
document was
circulated to the NCSG
list for comment prior
to finalisation.</div>
<div>Can you confirm if
this was the case?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nick</div>
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Shorey</b>
<div>Phone: <a
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+44 (0) 7552
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at
4:27 PM, Ayden
Férdeline <span
dir="ltr">
<<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>
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<div>Hi Nick,<br>
<br>
As stated, the
letter was
prepared by the
Policy Committee
in accordance with
our charter.<br>
<br>
Regards, Ayden<br>
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Original
Message
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<div>Subject:
Re: Letter
from NCSG PC
to Swinehart,
Atallah,
Marby, and
Crocker re:
GDPR<br>
</div>
<div>Local
Time: 21
October 2017
4:24 PM<br>
</div>
<div>UTC Time:
21 October
2017 15:24<br>
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<div>From: <a
href="mailto:lists@NICKSHOREY.COM" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@NICKSHOREY.COM</a><br>
</div>
<div>To: <a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Ayden,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Was a
draft of this
document
circulated to
the list for
comment prior
to
finalisation
and issuing to
ICANN?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind
regards,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nick<br>
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<div><b>Nick
Shorey</b><br>
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<div>Phone: <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">
+44 (0) 7552
455 988</a><br>
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<div>On Sat,
Oct 21, 2017
at 3:27 AM,
Michael
Karanicolas <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Very well
written
letter, on a
topic of
importance.
Thanks very
much for
sharing.<br>
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<div>Michael<br>
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<div>On Fri,
Oct 20, 2017
at 6:51 PM,
Ayden
Férdeline <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The
Policy
Committee
circulated a
letter
yesterday to
senior ICANN
management and
to the Chair
of the Board
outlining our
disappointment
in how we are
being
marginalised
in
conversations
surrounding
ICANN's
compliance (or
lack thereof)
with European
data
protection
law.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The gist
of our comment
was that as
active
participants
in the ICANN
multistakeholder
community, we
want to
participate in
the
policymaking
process, and
we would like
both to see
and to help
ICANN come
into
compliance
with data
protection
law.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have
attached a
copy of the <a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/dammak-to-swinehart-atallah-19oct17-en.pdf"
title="letter"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
letter</a>
that the Chair
of the Policy
Committee
sent. This
letter was a
collaborative
effort
generated in
accordance
with our
charter, and
followed
conversations
on our Policy
Calls where we
discussed
sending
official
correspondence
to ICANN
leadership on
this matter.
You will be
kept updated
if a response
is received.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best
wishes,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>Ayden
Férdeline<br>
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