[Comment] NCSG draft statement for CCWG on IANA transition proposal
Nicolas Adam
nickolas.adam at GMAIL.COM
Wed Dec 17 13:18:29 EET 2014
The *only* way to have true accountability for an organization is to
have an *external* body to which the organization is being accountable
*to*.
Hence, keeping the things separate.
This is not a reflection on things past. It is rather a reflection of
things to come and on the impossibility of accountability to one self
(no matter the good will).
Nicolas
On 17/12/2014 1:06 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:53 PM, avri doria <avri at ella.com
> <mailto:avri at ella.com>> wrote:
>
> I do not believe that it is possible that icann could achieve a
> level of accountability that obviates the need for separability
>
>
> If what you've said above is the also the believe of the entire NCSG
> then i rest my case. However i will note that implying that ICANN will
> never achieve that level of accountability should not be the reason
> for contracting but should be a reason to start a new organisation
> that will.
>
> Perhaps the new gTLD is the reason why we think there is enough
> resources to maintain contracting of the proposed structure....however
> i would have preferred larger part of those resources (if indeed they
> will last) to be used towards contributing to improving the
> development of the Internet
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
> avri
>
> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at GMAIL.COM
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at GMAIL.COM>>
> Date:12/17/2014 12:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [Comment] NCSG draft statement for
> CCWG on IANA transition proposal
>
> Hello Avri,
>
> Thanks i understand that the ICANN accountability implementation
> process may take some time, however i see think this transition
> could be an opportunity to expedite the process and it is with
> that motives that i added those text.
>
> I will like to believe that everyone here is insisting on
> separability simply because there is no adequate accountability
> within the organisation. So my text is simply trying to say
> ".....we believe an internal to ICANN will be more efficient
> however due to the lack of adequate accountability we will support
> the current proposal"
>
> I don't want to believe that we all don't see the complications
> that will be introduced by the implementation of the current
> cwg-stewardship proposal?
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think your edits are incompatible with the previous sense of
> the statement.
>
> I would not be able to support a statement that supported
> ICANN gaining permanent unreversable and inseparable control
> of the IANA contract as you seem to be suggesting. I do not
> beleive there is any change the Accountabilty effort could
> make that would give the degree of accountabilty that
> separability bring. There is much to be done in ICANN
> accountability to make sure it is and stays fit for holding
> the contract, but that will not be enough for permanent
> merging of the IANA function into ICANN.
>
>
> avri
>
>
> On 17-Dec-14 11:01, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>> Hello Rafik,
>>
>> Thanks for your mail. Although i don't necessarily agree with
>> all the wordings in that draft(and i have noticed reluctance
>> for re-wording), however i think i can roughly agree with it
>> with the few edits i just made.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Rafik Dammak
>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> we discussed in yesterday call (find the recordings and
>> transcripts beloww) the IANA transition working group
>> proposal and the draft NCSG comment
>> (https://docs.google.com/document/d/14mDNLW17CJ_7rHSprzSAW90jhzPjlMiJf8qkbRM_Lek/edit?usp=sharing)
>> .
>> The NCSG statement was sent previously to the NCSG
>> members list and several comments were added and
>> resolved. the current version was sent to NCSG policy
>> committee for review and endorsement. we have to submit
>> the comment by 22nd Dec.
>> Thanks to those who worked in the comment and supported it.
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-12-17 21:13 GMT+09:00 Maryam Bakoshi
>> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org
>> <mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>>:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please find attached and below the AC chat,
>> transcript and MP3 recording of the NCSG Open call
>> (Update on CCWG on IANA Transition) held on Tuesday,
>> 16 December 2014.
>>
>> *MP3 recording: *
>> https://icann.box.com/shared/static/me2byrhudtqk36n3j0c4.mp3
>>
>>
>> *Attendance:* Rafik Dammak, Avri Doria, Stephanie
>> Perrin, Milton Mueller, Amr Elsadr, Matthieu Camus,
>> Robin Gross, David Cake, Bill Drake, Matthew Shears,
>> Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Marilia Maciel, Robert Njathika
>>
>>
>> You can also find the recordings/info of this meeting
>> and others at this link on the wiki:
>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/NCSG+Open+%28Update%29+Meetings
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> --
>>
>> Maryam Bakoshi
>>
>> *Secretariat – NCSG, NCUC, NPOC*
>>
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>
>>
>> *Email:* maryam.bakoshi at icann.org
>> <mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>>
>> *Mobile:* +44 7737 698036 <tel:%2B44%207737%20698036>
>>
>> *Skype:* maryam.bakoshi.icann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> /Seun Ojedeji,
>> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
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>> Mobile: +2348035233535
>> //alt
>> email:<http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
>> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>/
>>
>> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
>>
>>
>
>
>
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> /Seun Ojedeji,
> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
> web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> Mobile: +2348035233535
> //alt email:<http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>/
>
> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> /Seun Ojedeji,
> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
> web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> Mobile: +2348035233535
> //alt email:<http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>/
>
> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
>
>
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