[NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics

Rafik Dammak rafik.dammak at gmail.com
Thu Apr 14 02:27:07 EEST 2022


Hi Manju.

Thanks for this,
I understand that letter will be sent to council and leadership but I think
it should be shared with wider NCSG list to inform them too while
acknowledging the timing.

Best,

Rafik
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 12:04 陳曼茹 Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal response
> to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>
> You can find the statement here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM 陳曼茹 Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tomslin and all,
>>
>> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council
>> meeting this week.
>> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late
>> motion. I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others
>> handle it if they want to propose the motion.
>>
>> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
>> policy call.
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Manju,
>>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small
>>> team representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>>>> small team.
>>>>
>>>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>>>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>>>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>>>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>>>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>>>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>>>> Council level.
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at
>>>> the Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our
>>>> statement ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the
>>>> document Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing
>>>> reference material and edits:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>>>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Manju
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to
>>>>> put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on
>>>>> closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>>>> deliberations and I believe @陳曼茹 Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>>>>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>>>>> ideas down on the Google form
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review
>>>>> my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call
>>>>> on the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>>>> Google doc [
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience,
>>>>>> attached again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing
>>>>>> paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with
>>>>>>> a link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled “Board-Facilitated
>>>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics”, also
>>>>>>> attached.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>> "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>>>>>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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