[NCSG-PC] New meeting request: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse

Wed Jun 30 12:29:11 EEST 2021

Thanks Juan.

I agree, everyone in PC should join this effort, so we can get a position
quickly.

Regarding the chair of the task-force, I don't mind doing it, but I was
hoping that this will be an opportunity for members interested in
developing leadership skills to do so. In that regard, I suggest the PC
vice-chair, Akinremi chairs the task-force.

Cheers,
Tomslin

On Wed., 30 Jun. 2021, 10:45 Juan Manuel Rojas, <jumaropi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks both,
> I agree with Tomslin proposal. I think we should move forward in order to
> advance in our Task-Force to have at least a common definition about what
> is DNS abuse for us. Maybe yourself as PC Chair, can lead us doing that or
> maybe anyone who want to step-in to lead this effort.
>
> I think all PC members should be part of this discussion.
>
> Best Regards,
> Juan
>
>
> El 29/06/21 a las 4:14 p. m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar escribió:
>
> Thanks Bruna.
>
> I think we should meet them sometime. However, it seems this meeting being
> organised now will be a one-way update from them to us and we might not
> have the input they seek in the meeting since the actions we promised to do
> before we meet again, being (1) mapping other positions and working
> definitions of DNS abuse across the ICANN community; (2) start drafting a
> position paper: NCSGs DNS abuse working definition, concerns and process,
> have not been actioned yet. So we'll be going to the meeting, not having
> progressed from the place we were at the previous meeting. It doesn't sound
> like a very productive use of our limited time, especially if folks are
> required to wake up in the middle of the night.
>
> I suggest we make some progress on our side before we meet them again. To
> do this, I suggest we appoint a chair to the NCSG DNS Abuse Task-Force, so
> that we have someone responsible in driving progress on the two tasks
> above. If we are lucky,  we might be able to have a position in a month and
> then meet with CPH.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Cheers,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 00:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Heya,
>>
>> Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an email a while ago
>> inquiring about a second meeting about DNS abuse. We still have four
>> available dates from the initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July
>> or 27 July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC.
>>
>> I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we would be interested
>> in going back to our interactions with their DNS abuse group. Can you
>> please reply to this email by Thursday, cob ?
>>
>> ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and registrant
>> protections that I'm adding to this email just so you can take a look.
>>
>> best,
>> Bruna
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
>> Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse
>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (BCimbolic at pir.org) <BCimbolic at pir.org>, Jim
>> Galvin (jgalvin at afilias.info) <jgalvin at afilias.info>,
>> lseufer at namespace.com <lseufer at namespace.com>, rlevy at tucows.com <
>> rlevy at tucows.com>, secretariat at rysg.info <secretariat at rysg.info>,
>> secretariat at icannregistrars.org <secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi Bruna,
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you’re doing well as we approach ICANN 71!
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm checking in with you to schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG
>> conversation on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these sessions on
>> Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse
>> meeting time slot, ideally starting in late June.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've tentatively penciled NCSG in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can adjust
>> as needed...just let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are the possible dates over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If none
>> of these dates/times work, let me know and we can try to find an alternate
>> slot.
>>
>>
>>
>> 22 June
>>
>> 29 June
>>
>> 6 July
>>
>> 13 July
>>
>> 20 July
>>
>> 27 July
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and we look forward to our continued dialogue!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Drazek, Keith
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM
>> *To:* bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>> *Cc:* Brian F. Cimbolic <BCimbolic at pir.org>; Jim Galvin <
>> jgalvin at afilias.info>; Graeme Bunton <gbunton at tucows.com>
>> *Subject:* Engagement on DNS Abuse
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Bruna,
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you’re doing well and staying healthy and safe. I am reaching out
>> to you on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse Working Group as
>> we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the rest of 2021.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Contracted Party House (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting outreach
>> to our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS Abuse. As previously
>> noted by the CPH, DNS Abuse
>> <https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf>
>> comprises five categories: phishing, pharming, malware, botnets, and spam
>> when it acts as a delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of DNS
>> Abuse.
>>
>>
>>
>> We want to open a more direct dialogue to understand pain points, hear
>> suggestions and identify common ground where we can work together to
>> mitigate DNS Abuse.  Is there a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse
>> questions that would be able to join the CPH DNS Abuse group on a call to
>> discuss this topic? We want to encourage frank and productive discussions
>> on the topic that lead to really informing our dialogues and actions.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a starting point, we propose the following questions to guide our
>> discussion.  Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:
>>
>>
>>
>> What information do you use and how do you use it to assess DNS Abuse
>> levels?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you seeing practices from registrars or registries you find helpful?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let us know if a subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join
>> us.  Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC.  If so, please
>> propose a Tuesday when you are available.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>> Keith Drazek
>>
>> Vice President, Public Policy & Government Relations
>>
>> Verisign, Inc.
>>
>> +1-571-377-9182
>>
>> Kdrazek at verisign.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos  *
>>
>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>
>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
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