[NCSG-PC] New meeting request: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse

Thu Jul 1 19:03:24 EEST 2021

*Thanks Bruna. See my reply inline below. *

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 4:43 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Heya Akinremi,
>
> I did not understand what this agenda was for. Are you suggesting we host
> an internal call on this specific issue before the call with the CPH ?
>

*Yes. I am suggesting an internal call  *

>
> In any case, I believe the agenda for a first call should be smaller as we
> still need to discuss the different perspectives of DNS abuse around our
> community and see whether there would be consensus at NCSG for adopting our
> own.
>
> *Perfect.  Please feel free to edit and reshape. The essence is for us to
discuss different perspectives of DNS abuse around our community and
others. *

> Also, besides that, i would advise against hosting these discussions with
> the PC only. There are discussions highly relevant to our community and if
> you may recall, we have assembled a mailing list for discussing DNS abuse a
> while ago that is open to all membership. My suggestion here would be the
> following:
> a.  host such discussions on the mailing list created exclusively for DNS
> Abuse discussions;
> b. Advertise the call and mailing list on the broader membership list just
> so everyone is aware of that (and i could do that once we have agreed on a
> date)
> c. Reshape the agenda just so we can have a NCSG oriented discussion on
> DNS abuse and debate the adoption of our own concept.
>
> What do you say ?
>

*Very well in agreement with you Bruna. *

>
> best,
> B
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:08 AM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you for your contributions so far on the DNS abuse. Since we have
>> agreed to move the conversations forward, I would like to propose a call to
>> share thoughts on the good and bad of registrant DNS abuse mechanisms and
>> what could possibly be our positions.
>>
>>  The draft agenda put into consideration the comments on the group. Since
>> the white paper is not time sensitive, I would suggest the 27th of July for
>> the meeting as to enable us to align on the DNS Abuse issues. Please see
>> the link to the agenda and let me know what you think.
>>
>> Link:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6tqd1FWRO8tScYAeFeF7qePo4Tvm_eZFAzrO81Yvec/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> While going through the CPH DNS definition abuse, I noticed that malware
>> and Phishing are the critical elements. Without malware, botnet, pharming
>> will not be empowered. And the gateway to tricking registrants to
>> installing malicious code is majorly through spaming. Here is my question
>> to what is CPH contributing to reducing registrants receiving unwanted
>> messages and patches rather than the mechanism which is a very good move.
>>  ..Just thinking...
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:38 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Heya,
>>>
>>> Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an email a while ago
>>> inquiring about a second meeting about DNS abuse. We still have four
>>> available dates from the initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July
>>> or 27 July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC.
>>>
>>> I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we would be interested
>>> in going back to our interactions with their DNS abuse group. Can you
>>> please reply to this email by Thursday, cob ?
>>>
>>> ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and registrant
>>> protections that I'm adding to this email just so you can take a look.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Bruna
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
>>> Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse
>>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (BCimbolic at pir.org) <BCimbolic at pir.org>, Jim
>>> Galvin (jgalvin at afilias.info) <jgalvin at afilias.info>,
>>> lseufer at namespace.com <lseufer at namespace.com>, rlevy at tucows.com <
>>> rlevy at tucows.com>, secretariat at rysg.info <secretariat at rysg.info>,
>>> secretariat at icannregistrars.org <secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Bruna,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you’re doing well as we approach ICANN 71!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm checking in with you to schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG
>>> conversation on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these sessions on
>>> Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse
>>> meeting time slot, ideally starting in late June.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've tentatively penciled NCSG in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can adjust
>>> as needed...just let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are the possible dates over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If
>>> none of these dates/times work, let me know and we can try to find an
>>> alternate slot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 22 June
>>>
>>> 29 June
>>>
>>> 6 July
>>>
>>> 13 July
>>>
>>> 20 July
>>>
>>> 27 July
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and we look forward to our continued dialogue!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Drazek, Keith
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM
>>> *To:* bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>> *Cc:* Brian F. Cimbolic <BCimbolic at pir.org>; Jim Galvin <
>>> jgalvin at afilias.info>; Graeme Bunton <gbunton at tucows.com>
>>> *Subject:* Engagement on DNS Abuse
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Bruna,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you’re doing well and staying healthy and safe. I am reaching out
>>> to you on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse Working Group as
>>> we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the rest of 2021.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Contracted Party House (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting outreach
>>> to our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS Abuse. As previously
>>> noted by the CPH, DNS Abuse
>>> <https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf>
>>> comprises five categories: phishing, pharming, malware, botnets, and spam
>>> when it acts as a delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of DNS
>>> Abuse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We want to open a more direct dialogue to understand pain points, hear
>>> suggestions and identify common ground where we can work together to
>>> mitigate DNS Abuse.  Is there a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse
>>> questions that would be able to join the CPH DNS Abuse group on a call to
>>> discuss this topic? We want to encourage frank and productive discussions
>>> on the topic that lead to really informing our dialogues and actions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a starting point, we propose the following questions to guide our
>>> discussion.  Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What information do you use and how do you use it to assess DNS Abuse
>>> levels?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you seeing practices from registrars or registries you find helpful?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let us know if a subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join
>>> us.  Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC.  If so, please
>>> propose a Tuesday when you are available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith Drazek
>>>
>>> Vice President, Public Policy & Government Relations
>>>
>>> Verisign, Inc.
>>>
>>> +1-571-377-9182
>>>
>>> Kdrazek at verisign.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>
>>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>>
>>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>>
>> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
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>>  IT Manager/Advisory
>> *Phone*; +2348187476292, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
>> *Email:* info at compsoftnet.com.ng *Website:* www.compsoftnet.com.ng
>> ___________________________________________
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>
> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>

-- 
Best regards

*Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
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*Email:* info at compsoftnet.com.ng *Website:* www.compsoftnet.com.ng
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