[NCSG-PC] Organizational reviews

Sun Jul 28 16:38:03 EEST 2019

In the spirit of compromise I accepted your change to remove the suggestion
for lesser face to face meeting.

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 9:26 AM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> (I am trying to find a citation for this, but am struggling - however I do
> think it is true: organizational reviews do not have a budget for travel,
> only specific reviews do.)
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 10:23, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have noted that all but one of my edits has now been accepted. Thank you
> for this.
>
> However the one edit that has not been accepted is something I feel
> strongly about. I think it is too descriptive for us to state that face to
> face meetings of Review Teams should be reduced in order to lower their
> cost. Travel is not a significant cost for the Reviews; consultants, legal
> advice, and professional services are roughly 60% of the budgeted cost of
> the Reviews, so it I do not know why there has been this focus on reducing
> the possibility for Review Teams to have face-to-face meetings. I do
> realise that some, like the recent RDS Review, seemed to have an excessive
> number of meetings in Brussels, but that was not an organizational review
> and so I don't think this is the time and place to raise this concern.
>
> Thanks, Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 09:54, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
>
> I appreciate the edits, but I still am unable to support the submission of
> this comment.
>
> I am going to propose some edits directly into the Google Doc now.
>
> Thanks, Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 04:25, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> thanks Farzaneh and Ayden,
> we really need to submit. The staff is close to finish its summary report
> and the window for us to give input is quite narrow.
> the GNSO review is critical for us and this public comment is important
> for us to give input on, we cannot miss that.
> Farzaneh responded to the comments. I don't see any issue on substantial
> part of the comment which concerns the responses to the questions asked by
> the OEC.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le dim. 28 juil. 2019 à 11:36, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> a écrit :
>
>> The language says: for example by holding less face to face meetings.
>>
>> Less doesn't really mean it should be avoided at all costs. But I am
>> gonna change it slightly.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:23 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not object to fiscal prudence, but there is value in face to face
>>> meetings *sometimes*, and this language suggested (or at least this is how
>>> I interpreted it) that face to face must be avoided in all circumstances to
>>> reduce operating costs. If we amend the text to make clear that face to
>>> face meetings are permitted where there is a need, I would be able to
>>> remove my objection.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 20:34, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I tried to address the rest. I don't know why you don't like the
>>> language on keeping costs down through not having too many face to face
>>> meetings. But I'm not really attached to it so you can just delete it if
>>> you want.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:13 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure thing. I just saw your comments. I removed The unicorn bit and
>>>> will address the rest.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:00 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Farzi, I have annoted the document in Google Docs, leaving
>>>>> some comments where appropriate. When resolved I hope we will be able to
>>>>> submit this comment. I appreciate you drafting it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>> On Saturday, 27 July 2019 19:58, farzaneh badii <
>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> sorry about that. I did not notice I hadn't removed it from the draft
>>>>> document which I sent you . Was certainly planning to. Thanks for catching
>>>>> that. Is that the only problem you have with the document or is there
>>>>> something else wrong with it? I can surely address your concerns if you
>>>>> spell them out.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:55 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not support the submission of this comment at this time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not support the inclusion of the antagonistic language about
>>>>>> "unnecessary expenditure", or referring to ICANN as not being a "unicorn".
>>>>>> It is unprofessional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>> On Friday, 26 July 2019 20:45, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we don't have so much time left, last chance for review.
>>>>>> if there is no strong objection by saturday, I will submit the
>>>>>> comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le ven. 26 juil. 2019 à 13:34, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks for work,
>>>>>>> @all please review and do the proof-reading. there is no more
>>>>>>> extension
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le ven. 26 juil. 2019 à 13:26, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a first rough draft for organizational reviews.
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TD-rqV23z0XAhHzLLzRy9A88OASCPHujIEq7gW4DcfA/edit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tomorrow is the deadline. Please look over it and let me know.
>>>>>>>> should be shared with the list as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
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>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
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