[NCSG-PC] Organizational reviews

[Ayden Férdeline]

(I am trying to find a citation for this, but am struggling - however I do think it is true: organizational reviews do not have a budget for travel, only specific reviews do.)

Ayden

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On Sunday, 28 July 2019 10:23, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> I have noted that all but one of my edits has now been accepted. Thank you for this.
>
> However the one edit that has not been accepted is something I feel strongly about. I think it is too descriptive for us to state that face to face meetings of Review Teams should be reduced in order to lower their cost. Travel is not a significant cost for the Reviews; consultants, legal advice, and professional services are roughly 60% of the budgeted cost of the Reviews, so it I do not know why there has been this focus on reducing the possibility for Review Teams to have face-to-face meetings. I do realise that some, like the recent RDS Review, seemed to have an excessive number of meetings in Brussels, but that was not an organizational review and so I don't think this is the time and place to raise this concern.
>
> Thanks, Ayden
>
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> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 09:54, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate the edits, but I still am unable to support the submission of this comment.
>>
>> I am going to propose some edits directly into the Google Doc now.
>>
>> Thanks, Ayden
>>
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>> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 04:25, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> thanks Farzaneh and Ayden,
>>> we really need to submit. The staff is close to finish its summary report and the window for us to give input is quite narrow.
>>> the GNSO review is critical for us and this public comment is important for us to give input on, we cannot miss that.
>>> Farzaneh responded to the comments. I don't see any issue on substantial part of the comment which concerns the responses to the questions asked by the OEC.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le dim. 28 juil. 2019 à 11:36, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> The language says: for example by holding less face to face meetings.
>>>>
>>>> Less doesn't really mean it should be avoided at all costs. But I am gonna change it slightly.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:23 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do not object to fiscal prudence, but there is value in face to face meetings *sometimes*, and this language suggested (or at least this is how I interpreted it) that face to face must be avoided in all circumstances to reduce operating costs. If we amend the text to make clear that face to face meetings are permitted where there is a need, I would be able to remove my objection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 20:34, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to address the rest. I don't know why you don't like the language on keeping costs down through not having too many face to face meetings. But I'm not really attached to it so you can just delete it if you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:13 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure thing. I just saw your comments. I removed The unicorn bit and will address the rest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:00 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Farzi, I have annoted the document in Google Docs, leaving some comments where appropriate. When resolved I hope we will be able to submit this comment. I appreciate you drafting it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 27 July 2019 19:58, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sorry about that. I did not notice I hadn't removed it from the draft document which I sent you . Was certainly planning to. Thanks for catching that. Is that the only problem you have with the document or is there something else wrong with it? I can surely address your concerns if you spell them out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:55 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do not support the submission of this comment at this time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do not support the inclusion of the antagonistic language about "unnecessary expenditure", or referring to ICANN as not being a "unicorn". It is unprofessional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 26 July 2019 20:45, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> we don't have so much time left, last chance for review.
>>>>>>>>>>> if there is no strong objection by saturday, I will submit the comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Le ven. 26 juil. 2019 à 13:34, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for work,
>>>>>>>>>>>> @all please review and do the proof-reading. there is no more extension
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le ven. 26 juil. 2019 à 13:26, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a first rough draft for organizational reviews.  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TD-rqV23z0XAhHzLLzRy9A88OASCPHujIEq7gW4DcfA/edit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow is the deadline. Please look over it and let me know. should be shared with the list as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
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>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Farzaneh
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